Hizbullah to destroy Israel, after Lebanon

The headless martyr will return to avenge his death and inflict destruction on Israel "in the near future". So predicted Iran's top revolutionary guard, repeating what their man in the land of Cedars had barked days before.

The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards on Monday predicted that Hizbullah would destroy Israel in the "near future," the Fars news agency reported. "In the near future, we will witness the destruction of Israel, the aggressor, this cancerous microbe Israel" by Hizbullah, the agency quoted Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari as saying.

His comments came in a condolence message to Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah after the murder of the Shiite group's top commander Imad Mughniyeh, Fars said. "With the martyrdom of this true Muslim, the intentions of all revolutionary and combatant Muslims, especially the comrades of this dear martyr, will without doubt become firmer against the Zionist regime," Jafari said.

Nasrallah on Thursday declared "open war" on the Jewish state after accusing it of killing Mughniyeh in a car bombing in Damascus. Iranian First Vice-President Parviz Davoudi said on Sunday that Mughniyeh's assassination will not deter Hizbullah. "Let the Zionist regime and its supporters not imagine that Hizbullah would step back," Davoudi told reporters on the sidelines of a ceremony held to honor Mughniyeh who was killed in a car bomb attack in Damascus on Feb.12. (Naharnet)

It's clear to me that Jafari has never studied biology. But that's beside the point. Ignoring the puzzling declaration by the US's DNI on the identity of Mughnieh's killers, here's an elaborate account of Mughnieh's last days on this planet, summarized by Naharnet.

Britain's daily Times reported in its Sunday edition that the Israeli foreign intelligence service, Mossad, carried out the assassination of Hizbullah's top commander in Damascus through an explosive planted in the headrest of the driver's seat. The British newspaper said that Imad Mughniyeh was attending a reception to mark the 29th anniversary of Ayatollah Khomeini's Iranian revolution the night he was killed.

"He had grown accustomed to living dangerously and there was no reason he should have feared for his safety last Tuesday as he sipped fruit juice at the party at the Iranian cultural center. Mughniyeh was on fairly good terms with everybody present – almost all the leaders of the Damascus-based militant groups were represented" the newspaper said.

It added "at 10.35pm he (Mughniyeh) decided to go home. Having exchanged customary kisses with his host, Hojatoleslam Ahmad Musavi, the newly appointed Iranian ambassador, Mughniyeh stepped into the night."

"Minutes later he was seated in his silver Mitsubishi Pajero in a nearby street when a deafening blast ripped the car apart and killed him instantly."

"According to Israeli intelligence sources, someone had replaced the headrest of the driver's seat with another containing a small high-explosive charge" the Times reported.

The British daily quoted One witness as saying: "I held his head in my hands, kissed him farewell. His face was burnt but intact and he had received serious injuries to his abdomen," in a hint that Mughniyeh's head was ripped apart from his body following the deadly explosion.

The newspaper quoted a close friend of Mughniyeh, Anis Al-Nackash, as saying that a Hizbullah retaliation to Mughniyeh's death will be "most likely… a one that had been planned and masterminded by Imad himself." Al Nackash, the newspaper said, confirmed that "Mughniyeh had prepared a variety of "spectacular" attacks to be executed by Hizbullah if one of its top leaders was assassinated. These were now being dusted off and updated."

The Times claimed that on the day Mughniyeh was buried Israel's Premier Ehud Olmert summoned Mossad chief Meir Dagan from his cottage in Galilee to Jerusalem. "It was a one-on-one meeting," said a source. But it is believed that Dagan was complimented by his boss and told that he would stay as head of Mossad until the end of 2009, the newspaper alleged. (Naharnet)

A Kuwaiti paper confirmed a list of targets was drawn up by Mughnieh himself, many months before he decided to sip fruit juice in Damascus.

A source close to Hezbollah told the Kuwaiti daily Al-Ray that the group’s list of Israeli targets was set by Imad Mugniyah himself. Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah declared an open war against Israel in reply to Mugniyah’s assassination.

“After Israel threatened to liquidate Nasrallah in the aftermath of the 2006 July War, Mugniyah set a ‘bank of Israeli targets’ in reply,” the source said. It also noted that the UNIFIL forces are outside of “this game” and are safe.

“Hezbollah is ready to retaliate to Mugniyah’s assassination, but not in haste. It is waiting to target an Israeli figure as important as Mugniyah,” it added. The source said that Hezbollah is considering the effect of Israel’s open war on Lebanon, especially on its ally, the Free Patriotic Movement.

“It is as if Nasrallah was presenting his excuse to the FPM for knowing that it will not be able to follow along with Hezbollah in its open war,” the source said.

It also noted the possibility of Hezbollah taking over the situation in Lebanon before starting its war on the Zionists. (Now Lebanon)

So, according to the Kuwaiti paper, Lebanon's destruction would precede Israel's. How considerate.

Comments

[lol]

I really do not understand why you have so much hate for this man. What did Mughniyye ever do to you and your family bro?

He was a hero when he lived and died as such. As for all the speculation around who killed him, then clearly you missed every single important point presented and stuck with your twisted philosophy and conspiracy that for some reason Syria or Hezbollah or both killed Mughniyye. It's always surprising how the likes of some people here are always too quick to get stuck right up your American 'friends' asses.

Mughniyye, for one, has been sought after by 44 intelligence agencies for 26 years. Is that not enough for you? Hasn't the Mossad killed enough people in Beirut or Damascus by car-bombs for you to be convinced? How about when on multiple occassions Mughniyye was seconds away from being caught by either US Special Forces or Israeli Special Forces before he slips away. Why is it so surprising to you that they got him this time?

I mean we were joking when we said people like you lot blame Syria for every fart in Lebanon, but seriously this is way too far. Im still waiting for the idiotic genious between you guys to come up on here, with a serious face, and explain how the targetted IAF bombing on Syria a couple of months ago was somehow co-ordinated with the Syrian 'mokhabarat'.

Dellusional people like some of you on this forum give way too much power to the Syrian intelligence than it deserves. They are not God-like and certainly not divine. But why act as if they are? The conclusion among you that 'nothing happens in Syria whithout the Syrians knowing' is something of a cliche now. Hate, hate and more hate has blinded most of you to draw extremely farfetched conclusions, even if they defy logic and you know they do!

I just want to know. Why on earth would Hezbollah eradicate a mastermind and founder in their organisation? Even a better question would be, could any Hezbollah faction eradicate someone of such symbolism and importance? Why would Hezbollah transmit weakness to all of it's supporters world-wide - INTENTIONALLY?

As for Syria, we all know how big their ego is. You know, with the whole 'we are the only anti-US/Zionist Arab state standing' etc. Why on earth would they embaress themselves by blowing a comrade to peices, and where - right next to an Iranian cultural centre and a Syrian intelligence centre! I mean, out of all the methods and places and times, they would choose this? No-one knows anything about Mughniyye outside the intelligence world, and the Syrians could have eradicated him silently without anyone ever finding out. I think if they wanted to get any sort of 'message' to any secret organisations, surely they would do it in secrecy and save some face. You know, like posting Mughniyyes head to Nasrallah, a leg to Mossad etc.

Finally, you all seem to forget that on the same day as Mughniyye's burial, Olmert summoned the head of Mossad and extended his term by another year. Was this a coincidence? You're all good with refuting coincidences, so why not this time.

Clear the sand from your eyes and start thinking logically. Otherwise, illogical thinking may become a fashion trend amongst you and everyone who thinks like you. That, my friends, would be a shame.

[Umm K.]

lol--why was Mughnieh a hero to you? Who did he kill that truly made you jump for joy? I am curious to see your "hero" explanations listed. Just because you have no problems with hostage taking, bombings, and murders does not mean that others don't--who says all Lebanese have to embrace these concepts, or killing Americans, etc.? You do NOT speak for all Lebanese, ever, and you have no idea what peoples' personal experiences were during the war, nor it is any of your damn business.

AK never claimed to know who killed him. (Go on, find the line where AK said: This is who killed him.) He's analyzing, just as everyone else is. Who died you made you god of all knowing? No one knows anything, including you, so get off your damn high horse and holier than thou attitude.

[burger]

lol,

Don't talk about logic please :)

"He was a hero when he lived and died as such."
"Mughniyye, for one, has been sought after by 44 intelligence agencies for 26 years"

Ohhh I see your logic! He was sought after by all these intelligence agencies for so long because they wanted to give him a medal for his heroic heroism. He has been in hiding all this time because he is shy of people cherishing him as a hero and savior.

Also, there is no logic to who killed him. If you think that you can "logically" determine that, then you are fooling yourself. Unless you work for some intelligence agency and know exactly what is happening in there, you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about, and you logic is not logic at all. What is actually happening is you are taking your political ideas and trying to make logic out of them, but thats not really how it works now is it? :)

[Marillionlb]

lol

Your logic is certainly different than mine (and most Lebanese for that matter).
I see no heroism in a person that worked for the PLO as a sniper killing Lebanese. I for one did not mourn his death, on the contrary.
And yes I will say it out loud, I have no problems as to publicly admit that I look upon countries such as US, France, England...etc favorably, and regard Syria and Iran as enemies to my country.
Before you jump off your high horse and say "what about Israel", yes Isarel does not hold Lebanon at heart, but it is my belief that it is about time we seek a respectable and fair peace with Israel, and not wait for Syria (tawheed al massareyn).
Now go ahead and label me a 3amil.

[danny]

Fubar had figured out Romeo was back..Lol.

Your idiotic assumptions and mass murderer worship are reprehensible. That is what HA teaches their cadres!! Hate people, blow them up and go to hell with your vigins!!
No one can have an answer to your absurd logic and babbling!!

Except...buzz off

[Bad Vilbel]

I wonder if lol also idolizes Hitler, Pol Pot and Hannibal Lecter. I guess there is no accounting for taste, eh?

In other news. Here's a doozy from this morning's headlines:

-- Begin Quote --
Senior Lebanese intelligence officials as well as representatives from Hizbullah, Amal and Mustaqbal movements agreed during an overnight meeting to lift the immunity of militants after Beirut clashes left more than 30 people wounded.
-- End Quote --

So, let me get this straight. Did i just read the word "immunity"? They agreed to lift militants' immunity? Meaning, militants were, up to this point immune? And we're just now lifting said immunity? You've GOT to be kidding me. Why does ANYONE have immunity? ESPECIALLY thugs (from either side) who run around vandalizing property and assaulting others. WHO THE HELL COMES UP WITH THIS SHIT?

[lol'ling from lol]

Dear lol/romeo/whatever,

I understand that you are under a lot of pressure. Trust me, I understand....
But, even as we mourn your big loss, do not forget do lit your weekly candle to our other freedom-thinking-fighter hero: Sameer Kuntar.
I also have great hopes that our divine ummah bonding leader, from his mighty foxhole will deliver his promise of freeing Sameer. This would be such a great a day - just don't bring your kids (after all you know that sameer and kids don't mix).

So, get up, take a deep breath, and be proud of all those divine things all those brave man did for Lebanon!

:)

Or, look in the mirror, and start doing something GOOD for your country that don't involve war, kidnapping, car bombs or divine turbans

[Meghwar]

To Ass-lol,

Maybe Killing the French Sociologue Michel Seurat (just because he happened to be a foreigner in Lebanon at that time ) after abducting him for years is considered a Heroic act,eh ass-LOL ???

Or Journalists ? or sending car bombs into civilian areas where alledged "zionists" hide ?

Or maybe kidnapping planes and sacrifing 200 passangers for the sake of palestinians who decided theat the route to Palestine passes not only by jounieh..mind you, it passed through the whole of Lebanon and on the lebanese corpses just like your khamenei will fight Israel to the last lebanese.

Also that is heroic to kill 1200 Lebanese in 2006 to free a child killer like Quntar ...

Nitzche once said "Kill one man you are a criminal kill thousands you are a HERO" Just like your assassinated hero and the other criminal.... euh...I meant hero...who also will be a dead/assassinated hero sooner or later.

Lol you are really an ...ass-LOL.

[danny]

BV,

yup only in Lebanon street thugs have immunity...Wow...however, I understand that Claoun has just offered Syria and Hizbos some immunity, declaring that the "martyrdom" of Muggs was tantamount to an attack on Lebanon and YES you guessed it right...Syria!!!So next time hassouneh goes on a hunting trip, it will be called SELF DEFENCE...Tanka Heir General!!!

[Ex-Aounist]

LOL....

Were you totally STONED when you typed this irrational, illogical, thoughtless, nonsensical, senseless, farcical, ludicrous, preposterous, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, silly, foolish, stupid and idiotic post?
Mughnieh and HERO in the same sentence??? Give me a fucking break! Talk about oxymoron …it is like hizbullah is democratic! Or burning tires in dahieh by tree huggers!
Lol...ya lol why not busy yourself getting a life or better yet a brain?!

[Min Canada]

Guys are you reaally interested in engaging this bozzo some more? I am not interested in dueling with idiots, nor should you. Come on. We all come here to enjoy reading and writing to like minded people. He can go write his stuff at the HA sites.

Now, going back to my theory: Bush visisted the ME to prepare a war against HA, Syria and Iran. The plan is to have HA start the war so it turns into a defensive war for the US and Israel. So far the plan is on target. And HA will give Israel the pretext to bypass the UN troups in the south in hot persuite of terrorists. That will extend to Damascus as well and then Iran will jump in and the real purpose of the war will come: The distruction of the Nuclear facilities in Iran. I was told this over a month ago. I can see it developing and I have no doubt it will happen. Everyone thinks they are ready. I just hope we have a clear outcome this time.

[Amir in Tel Aviv]

I hope their knowledge in nuclear technology is as deep as in biology (cancerous microbe [???]).

[fubar]

Hmmmm...Naharnet/AFP having translation issues...or deciding you just don’t really need to know ...

(Ynet) "I am convinced that with every day that passes Hizbullah's power increases, and in the near future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by the radiation of Hizbullah's fighters."

(Jpost) "I am convinced that with every passing day Hizbullah's might is increasing and in the near future, we will witness the disappearance of this cancerous growth Israel by means of the Hizbullah fighters' radiation [therapy]."

[Ex-Aounist]

If Joseph Goebbles propaganda master of the Nazis was still alive he could learn a thing or two from March 8 lies and misinformation. They are setting Lebanon on fire and continue to blame the victims!

Danny,

Cl-aoun cannot say otherwise or he will meet Mughniyeh, ....and forget about the virgins there...

Iranian Money talks on Abousserra TV...tayyar and other squeezed orange/lemon media outlets

besides, let cl-aoun give himself immunity before giving it to hizzies or anyone else let alone syria !

If hizzies commit the mistake of attacking Israel anywhere, neither this bozo nor anyone could stop those israelis from flattening Lebanon...to water-melon field...Tobacco ....or "hashish" and I guess Iran won't FINANCE hassin sinking ship everytime...

Who would be convinced of this "self defense" over used and abused alibi ( OTHER THAN Lol/Romeo AND THE LIKES … )???? we all heard that megalomaniac proclaiming open war in the z/hero funeral...

Who in his right mind takes Herr General Psycho seriously ??? Even his own allies aren’t.

Besides I would thank him yes and " Fielen Dank" I would say, for he committed political suicide since he signed this toilet paper with hizzies which he calls it MoU!

This cl-aoun is finished he's just performing his last "Numero" in the hizzies circus. Politically the retard is through... finished ...over...

[Ex-Aounist]

Min Canada,
What about the gulf countries ? I thought they refused any war on Iran !
and do you think the Qatari UNIFIL withdrawal and today the Saudis were advised to stay outside lebanon has anything to do with what you said ???
what about the EU ? France is still wanting to negociate with the iranians...and do you think Russia and china would keep quiet ?

[fubar]

Hmmmm...so it seems that not everyone but the Israelis are deleting the radiation part...whew...cuz for a minute there, I thought that it might be another conspiracy...

(AKI) "I am convinced that with every day that passes Hezbollah's power increases, and in the near future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous microbe, Israel, by the radiation of Hezbollah's fighters," said Jafari.

[Abilama]

Damascus Seizes on Mughniyeh Killing for Lebanon Comeback

February 18, 2008, 12:01 PM (GMT+02:00)

Walid Jumblatt: Implacable foe of Syria and Hizballah
Syria is not waiting for its official investigation to wind up and expose the party responsible for killing Hizballah commander and Tehran’s terror tactician in Damascus on Feb. 13 - any more than Hizballah, when its leaders accuse Israel. Tehran, Syria and Hizballah have all threatened revenge against Israel within or outside its borders.

However, Bashar Assad’s strategists are not losing a moment to cash in on the abundant conspiracy theories surrounding the death, to plant one of its own: Mughniyeh, they say, was killed in their capital by their Lebanese enemies.

Therefore, it is feared in Washington and Jerusalem that, while plotting revenge on Israel, Hizballah, backed by the Syrian commando units, will launch attacks on Lebanese national intelligence and Druze targets in Beirut and Mt. Lebanon – they point a finger at Druze leader Walid Jumblatt. Their immediate goal would be to overthrow the pro-Western, anti-Syrian government headed by Fouad Siniora and stir up a new civil war. The door would then re-open for Syria to make a comeback to the troubled country and move troops in for the first time since they were thrown out in 2005, in contravention of UN Security Council resolutions.

Syria’s machinations give substance to Director of US National Intelligence Mike McConnell’s assertion to Fox TV Sunday, Feb. 17, that, while Hizballah is blaming Israel, “…there's some evidence that it may have been internal Hezbollah. It may have been Syria. We don't know yet, and we're trying to sort that out.”

“It is a serious threat, and it's primarily against Israel,” said the US intelligence director. “But …let me just mention about Mughniyeh… (He was) responsible for more deaths of Americans and Israelis than any other terrorist with the exception of Osama bin Laden. So this man over time had lots of enemies. Remember, he's a Shia, and oftentimes his targets could be Sunni as well as against Israel.”

Last week, the FBI placed counter-terror squads on alert in the US against attacks on synagogues and other potential Jewish targets. In July 2007, McConnell referred to Hezbollah sleeper cells in the United States waiting for orders to spring into action. Our sources report they are part of the trans-continental network which Mughniyeh himself established on behalf of Hizballah and Tehran.

Meanwhile, in Beirut, sources report sporadic clashes already erupting in Beirut in the last few days between pro-government and pro-Hizballah adherents.

Sunday, Feb. 17, unidentified gunmen shot up a Lebanese army unit near the Sabra district in south Beirut, killing one person and injuring others. Barricades and manned positions have gone up ominously in the Lebanese capital and no-go zones set up between flashpoint districts.

Syrian sources promise the results of their finished inquiry will cause an earthquake in the Arab world and Middle East when they are published Saturday, Feb. 22.

Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah has scheduled another of his broadcast speeches for the same day - this one to mark the anniversary of his predecessor Abbas Musawi’s death in 1992, which was also attributed to Israel.

The two events are feared by US and Israeli officials to have been coordinated on the same day to flash the signal for the Syrian-Hizballah plan to start unfolding.

Syria has begun putting together to incriminate its Lebanese enemies:

1. A large Mossad spy-cum-terror ring was allegedly uncovered in Damascus and Beirut. Its mission was to keep tabs on Syrian commanders, Hizballah heads and Palestinian leaders before liquidating them.

2. The ring comprised Lebanese members as well as collaborators from a key Arab intelligence body, possibly Saudi or Jordanian.

Damascus, increasingly isolated in the mainstream Arab world over Lebanon and its ties with Tehran, has no qualms about confronting Saudi Arabia and Jordan and accusing their intelligence agencies of being in league with Israel to destroy the “Arab resistance movement.”

Saudi Arabia has indicated that its chair will be empty at the forthcoming Arab League summit in Damascus at the end of March.

3. Syria claims to have found evidence that two Lebanese intelligence agencies are involved in the Mossad ring.

One is the research branch of the Lebanese General Security Service, whose director, Capt. Wissam Eid, was murdered in a car bomb attack in Beirut on Jan. 25. Capt. Eid was deeply involved in gathering evidence for the Hariri assassination case and uncovering The Syrian leadership’s criminal involvement.

Success by a Syrian undercover team in immobilizing this service would not only deprive the Fouad government of its primary security shield, but also bring the investigation into the three-year old assassination of the former Lebanese prime minister to a halt – just when the international tribunal is preparing to start work in the Netherlands.

The second clandestine Lebanese agency which Syria stigmatizes as part of the Mossad network is the Druze leader Walid Jumblatt’s private intelligence service.

Syria claims to have exposed the personal involvement of its director, Hisham Nasser e-Din. This charge would justify the targeting of the Druze leader and his domain on Mt. Lebanon. Jumblatt, whose father was assassinated on orders of Bashar Assad’s father, is marked as the Syrian president’s most implacable Lebanese foe.

4. The Syrian investigators are seeking to prove that Mughniyeh was killed while walking on foot from the house where he was staying in Damascus to the Mitsubishi SUV and that the vehicle was in fact rigged as a bomb car which detonated on his approach. They further claim that more explosive devices were planted along his path in case the first one missed its mark.

This is important to support the Syrian case, because they claim to have tracked down the vehicle’s Lebanese owner and fixed the time when he entered Syria.

5. They say the explosive was laced with 3,000 steel nails, which killed the targeted Hizballah commander and pockmarked surrounding buildings.

[lol]

Wow, I didn't know I could stir such controversy. However, it is a good thing my message sank in some heads. Yes, I still stand by my belief that Mughniyye lived and died a Hero. A true Hero. Do you want me to tell you why? The literal meaning of the word 'Hero' is "protector", "defender" or "guardian". The word refers to characters that, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self-sacrifice. These characteristics are all displayed by Imad Mughniyyeh, a person who sacrificed everything in his life-time for a common cause.

When he masterminded the abduction of a civilian airplane, not a single civilian was killed - only a Navy SEAL Diver, i.e. a legitimate military target who tried and failed to use deadly force to curb the hijackers plans - and arguably put alot of civilians' lives at risk through the use of live bullets. Besides, he did not hijack the plane for the PLO, he did it demanding the release of 17 Islamic Jihad militants (Islamic Jihad was his militia during the 1980's). Mughniyye could have certainly killed a few civilians left and right to make a political message, or fly it into a skyscrapper in New York - but the point is that he didn't and therefore never caused any harm to any civilians.

Then comes the bombing of the French and American 'peacekeepers' bases in Lebanon. If you paid attention in your history classes, you will know that both the French and Americans were everything but peacekeepers. The French helped Maronite militias butcher their muslim counterparts, and the Americans helped the Israelis in their occupation of Lebanon. We all remember the deafening sounds of the bombs fired from American warships exploding all around Beirut.

These two militaries opted to engage in warfare and got what they deserved. All military targets are legitimate targets. They were not unarmed, nor civilians and certainly not innocent or locals. I do not see why there is sympathy towards this issue. It's like sympathising with the killing of American 'advisers' in Vietnam in the 1960's. You remember?

Anyways. As for the blame on Mughniyye and Hezbollah for the Argentine attacks, I will repeat what has been repeated many times over. This case has been purely political and is baseless since there is no evidence or proof what so ever to indicate that Iran, Hezbollah or Mughniyye had any role to play in those attacks. It could have easily been the PLO - and at the time it was the Palestinians who were blamed for the attack, but now it's Mughniyye and Hezbollah being blamed out of the blue.

In addition to this, you have to realise and understand that this person truly sacrificed alot defending his country and you lot are clearly not impressed. Is it not enough that he did not live a normal life for 26 years? Is it not enough that he hardly saw his parents? Can any of you even imagine how it must feel to lose two brothers when the target was yourself? The guilt must have overwhelmed him at some point. I mean none of you actually think that way do you? Far from politics and conspiracy theories, none of you find anything inspiring about a person who worked behind the scenes to defend his country and not once brag or even take credit for anything he contributed to o even set up and masterminded? There has to be a certain level of patience and discipline for anyone to reach such level. To live in total autonomy but still change and shape the region in a totally different way without even taking credit for it.

This person is truly what a hero, or rather any hero, should be and is. He represents that hidden spec of hope that everyone relied on but never saw or knew it existed. He is truly one of the most remarkable men alive.

The thing I hate about some people is their eagerness to mix politics in everything. This guy was totally disasociated from politics. He lived by a cause and died by it too. Apparently thats not enough these days. And i'm not bothered to type anymore.

[Min Canada]

Hi Ex-Aounist,

[What about the gulf countries ? I thought they refused any war on Iran ! ]
Yes. According to my source at the State Dep. they refused an offensive war, but reitterated that they would be open to support the US in a defensive war. This is key to the process that is going on now in drawing HA to act first.

[do you think the Qatari UNIFIL withdrawal and today the Saudis were advised to stay outside lebanon has anything to do with what you said ???]
Most probably. As you know Qatar will not support this at all. SO they will of course withdraw and be nutral. Of course the Saudis call could always be explained as a reaction to the recent security events in Beirut, but that is the beauty of deniability

what about the EU ? France is still wanting to negociate with the iranians...and do you think Russia and china would keep quiet ?

The EU, especially France is in on this and will be focused on limiting the damage to Lebanon. The so-called negotiatons NEED to continue. Remember this will be staged as an attack by HA, Syria and Iran on Israel and US interestes and not the other way round. Russia and China will not react if the strikes come in self defense after rockets are fired at Tal-Aviv or they try or even succeed in killing Ehud Barak. Besides, Russia has received a big nod for Vlad to consolidate power without a peep from anyone.

Troops on the ground is the red line for everyone. That was the test run in 2006. I have no idea where it goes from here.

[Marillionlb]

Ya lol,
"The French helped Maronite militias butcher their muslim counterparts" waht about Fath and Saika in those times? are those the Muslim counterparts you are talking about?. Yes I admit that during that time the fighting was amongst Lebanese fractions but still from the Ansar, to fath and Saika you can not claim that it was purely Lebanese. Imad started his career (like I stated before more than once) as a sniper for the PLO along the green line (ring). Who was killing, if not Lebanese? Is that your notion of hero?
As for the Argentine bombing, this is one of the instances where by he was sentenced for his actions.
"Defending his country" you say! his career started with the PLO trying to establish a PAlestinian sate within the Lebanese territory.
So please spare me your holier than thou attitude, Imad was everything but Lebanese; same as Samir Kuntar is nothing but a common twisted criminal.
If this is truly what you believe in, than follow their footsteps and (according to your beliefs) the gates of heaven will be wide open to you. So why waste anymore time!

[AK]

"lol", I banned you before, stop coming back.

[Craig]

lol,

and the Americans helped the Israelis in their occupation of Lebanon. We all remember the deafening sounds of the bombs fired from American warships exploding all around Beirut.

You, sir, are a liar.

18 April 1983: A large car bomb explodes at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, causing massive structural damage and killing 61, including 17 Americans. More than 100 were injured. Islamic fundamentalists again claim responsibility.

25 June 1983: Marines conduct first combined patrols with Lebanese Army troops.

28 August 1983: A combat outpost manned by 30 Marines and Lebanese Army troops east of Beirut International Airport came under fire from semiautomatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades. Marines return fire for the first time, with rifles and M-60 machine guns. No friendly casualties, after a 90-minute firefight.

23 October 1983: Suicide truck loaded with equivalent of 12,000 pounds of explosives destroyed headquarters building of BLT 1/8 at Beirut International Airport. Almost simultaneous suicide attack destroyed building occupied by French paratroopers. U.S. casualties: 241 killed, 70 wounded. French casualties: 58 killed. Marine replacement airlifts, via 13 C-141 aircraft, begin the same day.

15 December 1983: The battleship USS New Jersey delivered 16-inch gunfire on antiaircraft positions in the Syrian-occupied mountains southeast of Beirut, as the Syrians continue to fire at U.S. reconnaissance flights over the area. This was the USS New Jersey's first action off Lebanon.

You would have us believe that US actions AFTER Hezbollah's attacks, retroactively justified the HA attacks in the first place? Is that supposed to be funny?

[AK]

Do me a favor everyone, just ignore lol. He's just a little kid fooling around.

[Lemon]

According to lol's standards, the Mossad agents that killed Mugnieh were likewise heroes: they carried out a dangerous operation and risked getting caught and spending the rest of their lives in Syrian jail, they selflessly don't want credit for their actions, they avoided civilian casualties and only killed their target, and quite likely are living their lives equally afraid of retribution from Syrian, Iranian and other intelligence agencies.

[Bad Vilbel]

Ignored.

[theCourtFool]

If only, We Lebanese, had a clear definition of who is our enemy?

Last Feb 14, Lebanese from all parties stood to declare that Israel and Syria are enemies of Lebanon, and, Syria and Israel are enemies themselves.

If only, We Lebanese, decided that Syria & Israel are enemies, and not to reply on Hezbollah nor the government for backing of either Syria or Israel.

Someone wants to turn this Syrian-Israeli game into a Lebanese-Lebanese strife.

[Bad Vilbel]

Yesterday, I pleaded with Mr. Saniora to shut the f*** up if he had nothing relevant or useful to say. Sure enough, he managed to outdo himself yet again today, with the following:

-- Begin quote --
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that Lebanon wanted good relations with all countries in the world except for Israel, "which is our only enemy."

Siniora added Lebanon was seeking "good relations" with Syria and Iran. "However, relations must be based on mutual respect. It is not acceptable for Iran to view Lebanon as an arena for conflicts," he said.

-- End quote --

Clearly, after all these years, Lebanon and its leaders are not yet ready to let go of the big-bad bogeymonster taboo of talking to Israel. It matters not that the Syrians themselves are talking to Israel, the Palestinians (who's cause we claim to champion) are talking to Israel. Qatar, Dubai and other Arab countries have relations with Israel. But NO! Not Lebanon. We insist on keeping our head in the sand, babbling on about stupid slogans that no one else in the civilized world cares about. And all for what? So we can continue to get bombed, shot at, assassinated, and have no recourse but to emigrate if we want any shot at a decent life/education/job. I think idiots like Saniora have done more to damage Lebanon and its economy and people than all the Iranians, Syrians and Israelis combined.

[Ex-Aounist]

Min Canada,
Thanks man for the explanations.

Abilama
"5. They say the explosive was laced with 3,000 steel nails, which killed the targeted Hizballah commander and pockmarked surrounding buildings. "
This is the signature of hizzies they filled their Katyushas with ball bearings and nails before sending them to israel ...and Iraq as well...

But seriously now....do you think anyone could stomach or believe the so called Syria/Iranian/hizzies "investigations" and Lebanese involvement or association with Mossad to kill mughniyeh ?? and in case Syria attack Lebanon do you think the Lebanese and rest of the world will sit down and watch ???
simply put ...neither we nor the whole world is like "Lol" you know ;)

[Meghwar]

I posted this yesterday in the thread " Nasrallah keep barking " as a sarcastic comment on the SYRIAN INVESTIGATIONS and reading abilama post now well..
here it is again ....

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Muallem: We Will Soon Reveal Mughniyeh's Killers
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem has said investigations are under way into who was behind the car bomb that killed top Hizbullah commander Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus, adding that he expected the perpetrators to be found soon. "

Well Let me guess, you will discover that it was planned by the mossad, financed by hariri prepared by Geagea, and executed by Jumblat...kiiif...very suitable...:)...what a great investigation...how about helping the IT...??? :P

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Abilama,

are they really going for it ...this "genius" plan ...?? Bcz if they are ..let me tell you ...this retard dude here, ( he calls himself -lol- ) our little dim-witted blabbering twat, then would look like Einstein comparing his garbage to their rubbish !!!

[Meghwar]

"France Shuts Cultural Centers for Security Reasons"

France has closed two of its cultural centers in Lebanon "for security reasons", the French embassy in Beirut said Monday.
The centers, in the southern city of Sidon and in Tripoli were being temporarily shut down, the embassy said, adding that the decision was taken nearly two weeks ago.

"Security of these cultural missions is a priority," it said.

Earlier Monday, the Saudi Arabian government warned its citizens not to travel to Lebanon because of the "unstable" security situation in the country.

Street clashes in recent days between supporters of government and the Shiite-led opposition have raised tensions in a country already embroiled in its worst political crisis since the 1975-1990 civil war.(AFP)

Beirut, 18 Feb 08, 21:19

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Interesting ... Guess that is what Nassinass wants ...that is exactly what he is after....
one after the other Leving lebanon...who cares about other "western cultures" ?? Faqihis have their Iranian culture ... and we are to clean up his mess ...later on, the F#@&ing SOB !

[danny]

abilama,

Instead of "filling up" the page please just put in a link. You've copied from the Debka file (not the most trustworthy site) and forgotten to indicate it...

Just a suggestion.
and Romeo/lol...We all told you to get lost why are you still loitering? I still hear the barking echoing on surround system...

[lol]

"It matters not that the Syrians themselves are talking to Israel, the Palestinians (who's cause we claim to champion) are talking to Israel. Qatar, Dubai and other Arab countries have relations with Israel. But NO! Not Lebanon."

1) two wrongs don't make a right.
2) if they're dickheads, have no honour or dignity - do we have to follow suit? Lebanon has gone down in history as the country with the mightiest heart for many reasons - starting with the courage of being the first democratic country in the region and ending with the heroes it bred and gave up to protect the country.

I don't give a crap what anyone says, but if killing a fellow countryman for the sake of the country as a whole is wrong, then every person in the world ought to be wrong. Something alot of you ought to learn is, "If I were given the choice of either betraying my country to save my friend or betraying my friend to save my country - I wish I were courageous enough to betray my country." Secondly, I strongly believe in this quote too. "Never regret anything you may have done, because at the time that's exactly what you wanted."

Everyone in Lebanon at some point klled a felow Lebanese, no matter who they are and to who they belong. Hezbollah, Amal, Aounists, Army, Sunni militias, Phalange, Lebanese Forces, Palestinians, Syrians and various Druze clans. Everyone had their share. It is only hypocrytical to accuse anyone of anything. It was called a 'civil war' - this is where everyone in a nation is divided into camps and are pitted against each other. If any individual did not at one time carry a gun and fuel the war violently, then they did so either psycologically, financially or indirectly. Everyone was a criminal in the civil war and it's a shame we needed the scum dictators of Syria to stop us fighting.

I just want some of you to wake up and realise what is going on, because you've really got it twisted. If Hezbollah was ever a Syrian puppet, then I would give my right arm for it. Syria needs Hezbollah and if you ask me, or in this case anyone whithin Hezbollah off the record, you would learn that Syria is being used by Hezbollah like a PIMP uses his bitches. But I dunno, if you didn't figure it out already, I won't be surprised if you wouldn't get it now.

[Bad Vilbel]

"The country with the mightiest heart" ???? According to who?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Craig]

lol: Secondly, I strongly believe in this quote too. "Never regret anything you may have done, because at the time that's exactly what you wanted."

Who the hell said that? Porky Pig?

[Marillionlb]

lol,

"Everyone in Lebanon at some point killed a fellow Lebanese",I wouldn't say everyone, but those of us who did, did it during combat and not hidden in empty building killing innocent passers by like your hero did. You are even worst than Imad is trying to glorify his actions.

[Abilama]

Somebody finally orchestrated justice for a deliberate mass murderer of civilian men, women, and children the other day. Among his numerous other exploits, some four hundred of the latter were killed, maimed, and wounded in an Argentine Jewish Community Center in 1994.

Imad Mughniyeh, a chief honcho in Hizbullah, now gets to indulge in the pleasures of his own personal seventy-two virgins awaiting him in Muslim Paradise after being blown apart in Damascus. As usual chez le Hizb, Israel is blamed as his dispatcher.
The HA spent years denying he was a member of HA to avoid being branded as terrorists,suddenly they mourn him and threaten revenge and an " open war" because the creep died somehow..

[Meghwar]

LOL-
Quoting :" Syria needs Hezbollah and if you ask me, or in this case anyone whithin Hezbollah off the record, you would learn that Syria is being used by Hezbollah like a PIMP uses his bitches. But I dunno, if you didn't figure it out already, I won't be surprised if you wouldn't get it now."

1-I am trying to follow your "logic" ....just tell me does this Hizb PIMPING syria includes SYRIANS Needing Hizb to smuggle ARMS ( and to whom ) from IRAN ???

LOL I advise you to stick to your initial job you talked about, I know it is hard for you and hizb to admit, however you needn't worry about your respective reputation, YOUR PIMP MAYBE HAD to Teach one his SLUTS a lesson ...so that the other SLUTS would follow SYRIA'S Orders...You know more than us how these things work in there .

Now BUZZ OFF

[Bad Vilbel]

For the record, I spent over 25 years in Lebanon and not once did kill anyone! I must be special or something, since apparently "Everyone in Lebanon killed someone at some point in time."

[Umm K.]

BV--You shouldn't have to explain yourself to someone who didn't even live through the war. AK never killed anyone either, nor did anyone in his family--freaks indeed.

[Bad Vilbel]

Umm K. I know i don't have to explain myself to anyone. Certainly not this kid. My post was an attempt at humour, really :)

I'm pretty sure the number of Lebanese people who haven't killed anyone in their lifetime far dwarfs that of those who did. But far be it from any of us imbeciles to contradict the "divine wisdom" of some misguided teenager with too much time on his hands.

[Ex-Aounist]

Syrian Border Guards Kill Lebanese Child

Syrian border guards on Tuesday opened fire at a Lebanese child killing him, the state-run National News Agency reported.
The short report said Abbas Abbas, 13, was shot and seriously wounded by Syrian border guards at the Grand River borderline in north Lebanon. He died later at hospital.

The development is the second of its kind in about a week.

Lebanon has been demanding demarcation of its borders with Syria in an effort to control illegal activities in both directions.

Beirut, 19 Feb 08, 20:09
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&B6D3C255EB7121BAC22573F40050467F

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R.I.P. Little Boy, The "moukawameh" only works against who kills terrorists , besides ...hassoun is busy right now preparing revenge and OPEN WAR for the terrorist Imad Mughniyeh killing...Besides this 13 year old boy might be a "ZIONIST" infiltrating the syrian borders , who knows maybe he has something to do with Muggy killing......beside this attack is not directed towards his "State and ASHRAFF ANNASS" not to mention that it is done by his " pimp " so he will have to shut the F...up !

Moukawamah my foot !

TFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Meghwar]

Ex-Aounist
that is sad man , and frustrating...
Rest in piece Abbas Abbas, we won't forget who killed you and others...

Shou Hassoun??? no OPEN WAR against syria ?????
What is the difference between this killing by syrians and the Israeli shooting at what you call "shepherds" in south ???
Shou hassoun?? no Retaliation to Syria ???? or this boy is suspicious ??? a Zionist a March 14 agent to fieltman and Olmert? He is not from the Iranian School not Shareef and divine ??? "No Hitting Lattakieh and after tartous and Damascus and after Damascus and After ...." why ????
You are a big fat Coward traitor......... Moooo ?????

[lol]

"I am trying to follow your "logic" ....just tell me does this Hizb PIMPING syria includes SYRIANS Needing Hizb to smuggle ARMS ( and to whom ) from IRAN ???"

Well, if it's that difficult to work out then i'll help you, walaw. The Syrians are isolated from the rest of the world. The only people they have serious contacts with are the Iranians and Hezbollah. The Iranian, being the 'surrogate mother' of Hezbollah, will never accept that Syria stops the flow of arms to Hezbollah through it's territory. It is clear that Syria and religion don't mix. Baathists have a long history of squashing any religious movements in their territories. Why is Hezbollah, or in this case Iran as well, exceptions? Because Syria is not Allah. It can not survive alone. It needs Iran as a strategic ally and will comply to a small demand such as allowing Hezbollah to arm.

Furthermore, Syria needs Hezbollah in itself. Everyone acknowledges that if Israel were to ever invade Syria, it would do so through Lebanon. It is not Hezbollah's fault and nor Syria's. You could blame Israel's tacticians, or if you think that's a bit harsh then go ahead and blame 'fate' or 'destiny'. Allah put Lebanon in a shithole area from which it is apparently easier to get to Syria in any offensive. Strategically, this will be done through the invasion of the south or massive paratooping in the Beqaa' Valley. So, Israel invades the south and then turns east through the Beqaa' from there.

Why am I telling you this? Well, becuase with Hezbollah's presence, there would be an extra guerilla force and deterent that will certainly make Israel think a million times before undertaking such a move. Hezbollah will instinctly fight Israel for invading Lebanon, which should cause casualties for the Israelis and bog them down/soften them up before even reaching the Syrian border. Therefore, Syria needs to comply with Hezbollah because of Iran's importance and likewise Hezbollah needs to comply with Syria for their arms - but there is a two-way force working against Syria should it not comply to Hezbollah or Irans requests.

Anyways, what I don't understand is why Hezbollah fighters or leaders would be willing to be Syrian or Iranian agents. It really defies logic. Puppets normally become such humiliating icons in return for money. Money, money, money. This, however, does not apply to Hezbollah. Not any person in Lebanon can become a Hezbollah recruit. As far as anyone is concerned, Hezbollah does not have walk-in recruitment centres. The members in Hezbollah also don't get rich from becoming fighters. Instead, they face the risk of being killed or assasinated in the slightest confrontation with the regions mightiest army. They must dedicate all their time and resources to their proffesion - something not alot of people would be willing to do even if there is a pay-raise. Even the leaders end up living unusual lives until their death. Even if they got billions of personal wealth, they would never be able to spend it. This is especially true for the likes of Nasrallah, Mughniyye and Naeim Kassem. You never see them driving through downtoan in lavish sports cars. They're on the run and in hiding (note: there's a difference between being a coward and being smart - if every Hezbollah leader exposed their whereabouts, Israel would assasinate them with their superior airpower, that will get Hezbollah nowhere and would most likely constitute ego-displaying rather than being clever or a courageous).

"For the record, I spent over 25 years in Lebanon and not once did kill anyone! I must be special or something, since apparently "Everyone in Lebanon killed someone at some point in time.""

Context is key when reading anything. In this case, it is best that you read what I wrote carefully. I was clearly talking about factions in Lebanon. If you didn't work it out, then again I tell you that I was refering to Lebanese factions involved in the civil war, not every individual. In fact, it is absurd to even think I said that because it clearly defies logic.

[Andre]

Hizbullah has already started the process of destroying Lebanon, first by provoking an illegal war with the "zionist" enemy which has devastated the economy, not to mention loss of property and more than a thousand innocent lives. As if that wasn't enough to stoke HA's fantasies, they started an economic blockade of downtown Beirut by building a shameful tent city that has caused many commercial establishments to go out of business and deprive their owners from earning a living, in a country where finding employment or setting up a business is extremely difficult, which in turns pushes honest people to immigrate and some for good. Furthermore, HA's obsession with building a state within a state is constantly undermining legal state authority to the point where there are security zones not accessible to lebanese authorities of any kind without the generous permission of HA's security apparatus, which in by iteslf is another affront. Constant harassment of police personel on patrols in "Dahieh" as well as routine flouting of the law and complete disregard to state institutions are but another act among many that prove HA's complete disdain for state authority. Everyone knows that HA's methods of intimidation and threats are always in full sight when their leaders talk about using force, they are referring to their illegal stockpile of weapons...which gives them an edge in the very fragile lebanese equation and they are using it to achieve their goal: The utter dismembering or weakening of the lebanese state, and the creation of their own that will one day govern the country or so they think! To their chagrin, every lebanese outside of HA knows the truth (except for those wearing orange glasses)that Hizbullah is a major obstacle to lebanon's path to independence, democracy and prosperity! Patriarch Sfeir himself lamented not too long ago in an unusual public statement that "Hizbullah is a problem"! Indeed. But most of you here don't need me to tell you these things I just can't help think about it...it's a disgrace and yet their followers are lebanese, duped and financed by the mullahs of Persia and fully supported by the thugs in Damascus.

[Meghwar]

Lol,
Do you really think I have time to squander reading your blabber and jabber???
Dude ....we all know that Hizb are traitors, as well as to whom they sworn allegiance ... and in which faqih asshole their head is shoved, and whom hassin & co. thank day in day out, so you need not deny, refute, reject, or refuse the obvious.
Just do us a favor ...vanish ... go make yourself a martyr ( ask your Hizb ) go blow yourself … drop dead….
Just stop wasting our time …with your jingle and jangle .

[Guess Who!]

When will Abu Kais stop braying ?????

[Charlie]

HA (Hassona and Mughniyeh) along with Moqtada al-Sader in Iraq have been busy
helping the Faqieh of Persia consolidate his Empire. HA, under Mughniyeh’s direction are using similar tactics, perhaps not quite as intense yet, to what Sader has practiced to empty some quarters of Baghdad from its Sunni inhabitants. This wave of terror on wheels that HA and Amal are practicing must be confronted by the ISF and LAF with strength or they will be emboldened to escalate their terror attacks further to force the Sunni inhabitants in those neighborhoods to move out.

It has been painfully obvious that HA’s one and only one task is to deliver Lebanon to his Faqih and finish that dagger in the heart of the Middle East that starts in Iran and ends in Lebanon. Lebanon is going to burn, HA and Iran are making sure of that. M-14, specifically Hariri and Jumblat have to find their back bone and start mobilizing their supporters for a full confrontation, for a confrontation is coming. And please M-14 STOP paying condolonces for the death of a murderer who has schooled and mobilized his followers to terrorize their fellow country men..

[Abilama]

BBC leftist fucktwhit "liberals", products of Oxbridge got it wrong again.
In an uncommon act of journalistic contrition, the BBC has apologized for equating former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri and Hizbullah terror chief Imad Mughniyeh as "great national leaders."

The BBC took the unusual step after Don Mell, The Associated Press's former photographer in Beirut, lambasted the parallel, drawn by BBC correspondent Humphrey Hawkesley in a BBC World report last Thursday, as "an outrage" and "beyond belief."

American journalist Mell was held up at gunpoint by Mughniyeh's men as his colleague Terry Anderson, AP's chief Middle East correspondent, was kidnapped in Beirut in March 1985.

Hawkesley's report on what he called "an amazing day for Lebanon," when a memorial rally for Hariri was followed by Mughniyeh's funeral, concluded: "The army is on full alert as Lebanon remembers two war victims with different visions but both regarded as great national leaders."
the BBC issued a statement Friday acknowledging that "the scripting of this phrase was imprecise" and apologizing to anyone who was offended by the item.

In his letter to the British state broadcaster, Mell wrote: "For you to refer to former prime minister Rafik Hariri and Imad Mughniyeh as 'great national leaders' in the same sentence is beyond belief. One was an elected leader who spent years and millions of his own money rebuilding his country. The other was probably the world's second most notorious terrorist, who was responsible for, in addition to running a major criminal enterprise, destroying the US Embassy, the French and US Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983; the hijacking of TWA 847; the bombing of the Israeli cultural center in Buenos Aires, [and] the kidnapping and murder of many Westerners in Lebanon, including Terry Anderson, Terry Waite, John McCarthy."

Mell noted that he personally had "a familiarity with these events" since he had witnessed many of them and "was with Mr. Anderson when he was kidnapped in 1985."

Mell and Anderson had just finished a game of tennis on March 16, 1985, when a green Mercedes pulled up in front of Anderson's car, bearded gunmen jumped out, a pistol was placed at Mell's forehead, and Anderson was dragged away into what became almost seven years of captivity. He was finally released in December 1991.

Responding to Mughniyeh's death last week, Anderson called him "the primary actor in my kidnapping and many others."

Anderson added: "He was not a good man - certainly. To hear that his career has finally ended is a good thing and it's appropriate that he goes up in a car bomb."

In his letter to the BBC, Mell went on, "Most recently, Mr. Mugnhiyeh was responsible for provoking the Israeli-Lebanese conflict in 2006, which one may ask, accomplished what?"

He concluded: "I seldom criticize the reporting of others because of my great belief in the exchange of differing viewpoints regardless of source, and for my great respect for the first amendment of my country's constitution. But today you went too far. You've done your great institution and nation a huge disservice."

The BBC, in its statement, said, "While there is no doubt that supporters of Hizbullah did regard Mughniyeh in such terms [as a great leader], we accept that the scripting of this phrase was imprecise. The description of Imad Mughniyeh should have been directly attributed to those demonstrating their support for him."

The statement noted that Hawkesley's report "made clear that Mughniyeh was believed to have been responsible for a series of bombings; it drew attention to his believed connection with Osama bin Laden and to the fact that he had been hunted by Western intelligence agencies for more than 20 years."

However, said the BBC, "We accept that this part of the report was open to misinterpretation. We apologize to anyone who may have been offended by this item."

[Meghwar]

Apology accepted !

Abilama, dude, as much as it is interesting to read.... why not provide a LINK ???? isn't it easier ?

[Abilama]

Sorry, got it from a friend who did not provide a link. I thought it was wortwhile info.