American Eagle plot to nest in Lebanon unveiled

Freedom-embracing Iranian and pro-Syrian media have uncovered a diabolical plot to build a US army base in northern Lebanon under the despicable cover of training the Lebanese military. This plot, it was revealed, was openly discussed by failed American freedom spreaders during meetings with Lebanese military and illegal government officials. Thinking Lebanon could one day become a modern nation with an independent military, the Americans apparently conditioned their implementation of this secret plan on guarantees US military aid to Lebanon would not fall into the "wrong" hands, such as Iranian-assisted militias or factions in the army loyal to a foreign country. Of particular concern to the Americans is a clause in the army's "creed" putting the interests of Syria above Lebanon's, and which enables the military to always shoot at Israeli invaders, even if they're dressed in 7th century attire made in Damascus.

The Americans simply do not understand the depth of Lebanese-Syrian relations, specifically how Lebanese and Syrians are one people divided by artificial though unmarked borders and friendly pro-Syrian military bases housing the region's armed homeless. The distinctive bond that ties the average Syrian to his Lebanese counterpart is such that no questions need to be asked when the Syrian army builds bases, invades to protect Lebanon's interests, kills agents of Zion Land, and ship arms across the "border" to patriotic people committed to the Great Cause. As usual, the Americans proved to be stupid  to go through official channels, place conditions on military collaboration and allow freedom-loving Iranian and Syrian media to infiltrate their secret planning department. Busted!

What is next on the agenda of the evil world power? Sending Special Forces to occupy downtown Beirut and lay siege to the prime minister's office until he declares Lebanon a county of Michigan? Deploying hundreds of thousands of brainwashed US teenagers to promote sexual promiscuity and homosexuality in the land of frontal chastity? Thank Baal Lebanon is deporting the devout wives and children of Fatah al-Islam back to Syria before the bald eagle bewitches them into abominable servitude and tight clothing. Here's hoping they find and recognize their husbands.

Update. Denial, denial.

Comments

[Danny]

A Stealth military base is being built! How can a rag like Al Safir think of itself as a mainstream paper?? Don't the Hizbos have enough fearmongers?

[thorny pineaple]

Fear not AK. I would give less than a week to some "agricultural student" dressed in black (remember that, folks ?) to order the evil "american entity" agents to turn back once they start building it...
The formula is catholic but I expect nothing less than "Vade retro, satana; Sunt mala quae libas" from those guys.
(jeha, I'll pay latter the royalties on the latin usage :) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vade_retro_satana

[Blacksmith Jade]

Keep doing what you do Abu Kais, its much appreciated.

[Bad Vilbel]

Let me cut and paste the same comment I posted on Mustapha's blog yesterday, on this story:

Right, there’s oil off the coast of Akkar. The Israeli Air Force helped the Lebanese Army bomb the Nahr El Bared militants on their way to bomb that empty building in Syria, all as a prelude to an American base in Lebanon, which would help the zionists control the Lebanese oil, and give them the ability to bomb more empty buildings and rice fields in Syria when the heat waves aren’t doing enough of a good job. Check!

[Shunkleash]

OK FOLKS!!

I've just read the media SCOOP of POOP of the century, and it comes courtesy of hizbteezee and one of its well educated garbage men. I thought I would post it for the benifit of you idiots and plebs out there who think you can comment on the state of lebanon and its society or, hizbteezee and CLAOUN et al or, whatever! You DAIN be so petulent when this HMAR can put you in your respective places sooooo easily. and he is an MP TO BOOOT. Now i know we're fcuked! READ IT I SAY!!

"Hizbullah MP Nawar al-Sahili said Thursday that Free Patriotic Movement leader Michel Aoun is the opposition's official candidate for the presidential office.
Sahili was also quoted as adding that Hizbullah and Aoun are bound by a "secret agreement not to announce this issue (Aoun's candidacy) officially."

ARGH!! DID YOU READ IT?!?!---->Michel Aoun is the opposition's official candidate for the presidential office NOW SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DONT TELL NOBODY BUT-----> Hizbullah and Aoun are bound by a "SECRET agreement not to announce this issue (Aoun's candidacy) officially." SHIIIIT!

I really really really DONT want to comment further on the statements because i feel I might have to kill myself. I do however post it just to underline and underscore the level of absolute and total FCUKING STUPIDTY that permeates our society. Just to add insult to injury, he was SERIOUS when he said it and a newspaper actually PRINTED the damn piece!

oh boy here i go...hello everyone, my name is shunkleash and im a...lebanese alcoholic...LET ME OFF THE WAGON!!!

Ayesh Lubnan!

[Vox P.]

The Hezb has certainly planted bugs in the oval office, that's how they know what Bush said to Saad.

[Vox P.]

Shunkleash,

Tony Montana once said: never get high on your own supply. Those Hezbozos clowns should follow his example.

[Solomon2]

Are we underestimating Lebanon's enemies here? The circulation of a story like this one and events like the "prisoner exchange" as the critical moment approaches - do they not serve very well as "the magician's hand" and distract Lebanese from discussing the core issues of the political struggle within their own country, fooling even experienced politicians into changing the subject and lowering their guard?

[Bad Vilbel]

Sol,

The Lebanese don't really need to be distracted from discussing the core issues. You wanna know why? Because they aren't and haven't been discussing the core issues in the first place. They've been oblivious to the core issues for 30+ years now. They're too busy worrying about conspiracy theories to even consider the fact that there are any core issues to discuss.

If there weren't conspiracy theories being supplied by Hezbo (like the one above), the Lebanese would be making up their own. That's what they do best.

I bet you a humongous percentage of Lebanese, if asked "What are the core issues you need to discuss?" would tell you "The Palestinian cause" or "The Zionist project" or "The US fomenting trouble in the region to control the oil."

Honest to god! I wish someone would conduct that very poll. Just one question, on the streets in Lebanon: "What is the one core issue Lebanese should be discussing?"
The answers might astound you.

[Lover]

I have a question.

If and when Hezbollah is completely disintegrated from a 'state within a state' and becomes solely a political party, what is March 14's plan - or to speak, the governments plan - to look after the million or so Shi'a inhabitants currently being looked after by Hezbollah?

If so far, the government has been incompetent to even providing compensation at a quarter of the level Hezbollah has - what will make me believe it will carry out it's duty to the fullest next time?

If it has been unable to this day to ressetle and compensate Christians internal refugees from the civil war for almost 18 years, and another 300,000 people from last years war, how do I know next time - when there is no Hezbollah - that all the people will be left to their own accord?

Since Hezbollah today is carrying out most of the renovation and reconstruction projects - most impportantly the rebuilding of a new Dahyeh (noting that the only people delaying the process is the government) with virtually all of the others being done by foreign countries as a goodwill gesture leaving the government with 2 or 3 odd projects. How do I know, next time there is a devastating war, my family will be cared for in temporary homes? (like FPM and Hezbollah did during the war, and money provided afterwards for temporary settlement) - also, during that time have their houses rennovated/rebuilt as fast as possible?

Most importantly of all, how do I know that in the next invasion, Ahmed FtFat the Abaday doesn't invite the enemies (whomever they may be) to 2 ahwe and 1 shay? rather than the same bullets, bombs and blood that were recieved by Fath al Islam...(i.e. how do i know the government will be silent in the face of bigger and stronger forces, but go wild against small and weaker ones)

Can someone please provide me with adequate answers...

[AK]

You know Lover, I personally think the government of the Lebanese entity should provide each one of the "million" Shia you mentioned with a professional breast feeder and a cow. That way, we, the neglected Shias of Lebanon, can develop immunity to invasions and have a personal cow to milk when we finally grow up. Additionally, I think the money that Siniora will confiscate should be distributed to Shia families, proportionally to the number of humans. A family of 14, for example, would receive 1 million persian dinar per human. Human-martyr hybrids would get a quarter of that amount, since they're only here for half the lifetime of a regular human. That way, the farm that is the Shia of Lebanon will be well taken care of after Nasrallah is slain at Damascus' gate, as the old prophecy goes.

During the next invasion by the Babylonians (you didn't specify, so I will make an assumption), we, the Shia, will gladly enter into servitude because slavery is what we do best.

Good morning, wherever you are.

[The Other Tony]

Lover,

Your sarcasm aside, I believe that your questions are valid. However, your doubts to Government Institutions being unable to deliver is not enough for Hizbullah to carry on functioning as a state. It is time that one government governed in Lebanon and it is time that the country is allowed to build institutions rather than operate outside these bodies. Perhaps then Lebanon will have a foundation to succeed as a modern country.

[Shunkleash]

"You know Lover, I personally think the government of the Lebanese entity should provide each one of the "million" Shia you mentioned with a professional breast feeder and a cow."

Made my entire week...LOL!!!

[Bad Vilbel]

Wow, AK is on a roll today!

Lover, I believe your question is being disingenuous and sarcastic. But I will answer anyway:

In any civilized country, it is the government's job to provide the basic infrastructure and it is up to the populace to make what they can for themselves, unless, that is, you envision some sort of welfare state where no one works and gets a free ride while sitting around doing nothing. But that's neither here nor there.

Now, in order for a government to provide the basic infrastructure it needs to be properly functional, and the state should follow a minimum of law abidance and order. Without proper rules, laws, etc, it is impossible to govern, let alone provide any kinds of services.

Furthermore, it is up to the populace to demand their government provide that infrastructure and basic services, and hold their governments accountable when they don't deliver on those services. But the key to all this, the one word that escapes most Lebanese: demanding and holding the government accountable has to be done LEGALLY and PEACEFULLY. In most civlized countries (and none are perfect, mind you, they all have flaws), the people hold their leaders accountable at the ballot box. Your city councilman didn't deliver on better schools? Go vote for the other guy at the next elections, etc.

Again, and I cannot emphasize this enough: This ENTIRE diatribe of mine relies on one important pillar, one important and crucial basic given: A set of rules (laws, constitution, etc.) that everyone agrees to play by.

The moment you throw out law and order, and resort to non-peaceful or non-legal means to getting your services/infrastructure/healthcare/etc, you open up Pandora's box for everyone else to do the same, chaos ensues, and you end up with a failed state, a failed society and a failed nation, much like Lebanon has proven to be.

Now you'll notice, nowhere in my rant did i mention March 14 (I believe most of those guys to be idiots and incompetents) nor do I mention Hezballah. This is not a partisan rant, it is an attempt at answering your question honestly (even though I believe you are being disengenuous).

What Lebanon needs is a new breed of leaders who are competent and can deliver, to the million shia as well as to every other Lebanese, equally. But until, we, the people, understand how things need to function (as I explained above), we're never going to bring rise to this new crop of leaders. As long as we continue to think it is ok to operate outside law and order, and as long as we keep supporting these failed leaders, we will continue to live in a failed country and be a failed people.

[Lover]

"it is up to the populace to make what they can for themselves"

By you saying that, I would assume that organisations, firms, companies, associations and foundations would be legal in that future and powerful state.

Why can't Hezbollah be viewed as one large corporation operating in the free market that Lebanon is? If anyone studies economics would know that Hezbollah as a 'firm' is not a profit maximising one (the main characteristic of any firm). It is a non-profit organisation.

The main argument for this is that they make use of expenditure that will not provide any returns. They buy arms, not sell. They fund charitable foundations and associations. They provide 'free riding' services and products that are not bought by any individual citizen but needed by everyone (i.e. roads, bridges, street lights etc).

- Jihad al-Bina (reconstruction)
- Da'm
- The Martyrs' Families Association
- The Association to Ensure Orphans
- Hospitals (e.g. Rasool Al A3tham)
- Education (Al-Mahdi Elementary, chain of schools)
- The Association of the Wounded and Disabled
- Security/Intelligence wing (non-military)
- Militant wing of Hezbollah
- Political wing of Hezbollah
- And other social attributes such as providing grants to poor students etc.

Before some people got clever instead of addressing my questions - which are legitimate questions of concern to many Lebanese people. Not solving them will bring about a humanitarian as well as economic crisis - the perfect remedy for war, both civil and national.

My propositions are 2:

1) The government either moulds itself into this model of an organisation; because of it's success and effectiveness as well as efficiency. The government will gain stature if it does so and does not descriminate in it's welfare to the people. Having a free country does not we have a governemnt independent from the people.

In Britain, there is a tax system, a free market, and thriving economy - but there is also a huge social and welfare sector in the country. That does not affect its power or security. But the opposite. It serves it's interests. You will never walk across someone actually dying of disease, thirst or hunger. You will hardly ever see someone on a train without his face stuffed into a book and so on. A welfare and non-profit model is not an evil or communist or bad one. It will by far reduce extremism in our country and the hate of war/vandettas will fall dramatically because of the arising opportunities.

2) My second proposition to solving Hezbollah is very easy. It is not to break it up. It's to think of Hezbollah as a private firm. Like any private firms, they could easily be absorbed and made into a public firm by the country. What i have to say is similar to that.

So, instead of demolishing what took years to formulate, make use of it. Split Hezbollah into 4.

One would be the 'social' face of Hezbollah and leave that as it is - a national charitable organisation, independent from state influence or control - like any other firm should expect from a free market in any country.

The second would be the political party in Hezbollah. It is essential that this must be left in-tact. A Shi'a political vacuum will only make matters worse and possibly a new conflict between Amal and Hezbollah sympathisers or division to say the least.

The Third is the non-militant security/intelligence agency that keeps Hezbollah updated on what Olmert has on his table. This is also essential for Lebanon's security. It is also this security establishment works with the right people - to force them working with suspicious persons/officers will only neutralise their work.

The Fourth and most important is their militant arm. This will be conplicated and hard to achieve. But if you could listen to my idea and comment back on what you think of it and if it has any flaws and/or why you disagree.

We all know that Lebanon hardly ever fights in big wars because then it would be a war of governments. War of governments lead to annexation. Annexation would lead to Lebanons non-existence. Example of this is the Falklands off the Argentine coast, and the Golan Hegihts which are not occupied by annexed by Israel.

Any invading country can not blame a government percieved as weak if a strong militia attacks it. It will have to go after that guerilla force and attempt to destroy that instead. So we have two things to notice here about Hezbollah. 1) They are independent from the government (not the state - they are IN Lebanon) and 2) They are a guerilla force without any real presence although they are increasingly able to fight classical conflicts, and the first to do so out of any other guerilla forces.

Anyway. Those two are Hezbollahs strengths. So, how do we integrate Hezbollah so it is under the Lebanese government's authority but at the same time, it can fight a successful war without making it 'look' like a country vs country war.

My idea is this. A new ministry is opened up. Call it the National Resistance Ministry of Lebanon. Then make a unit in the army called the Hezbollah unit. Or Hezbollah Special Ops, or Hezbollah-Amal Infantry or whatever you prefer. This is not the full solution, stay with me for another minute.

When comming to a solution to do with Lebanons army, a relatively weak and unorganised army without any effective strategies or planning, you need to be a realist about these kind of stuff - such as integrating an army into an army. There are elements of the army loyal to both Syrian and Israel - no doubt about that. If Hezbollah is thrown in the middle, it will ultimately have to choose which side it will serve. This will cause Hezbollah to weaken (because the Israeli side will report to Israel sensitive information etc), it will divide the army and corrupt it.

So, to avoid this, we will need a plan. My plan would be that senior Hezbollah planners, strategists and generals/commanders are placed into some kind of brigade to train, provide higher quality strategies and training etc alongside Lebanese Army generals. This will eventually make any plan/strategy neutral if the Hezbollah officer is pro-syrian/iranian and the Lebanese commander is M14 or a neutral person etc.

The rest of Hezbollahs force will be put into that unit i mentioned earlier on. Their numbers will be kept classified and the only barracks set up will be temperory or hidden ones. All information concerning Hezbollah will be sent to the ministry of national resistance and the force itself will be managed, financed by that ministry as well. The ministry will consist of Hezbollah's Shura council to safeguard Hezbollah's source of power - secrecy over everything.

This ministry will ofcourse have a minister - therefore it is under direct command of the government. This will legitimise Hezbollah worldwide etc.

BUT. There is one more problem. What about Hezbollah supposed power in that it is independent from the government? Well, like any other minister and ministry, the minister can be fired and the ministry dissolved. No ministry will exist, but the force is still there and ready. It can fight under the ministries command etc but the only difference is that the ministry is not part of government anymore. This will ofcourse only be done under harsh circumstances - not whenever an ant bites a kids toe. A framework or criteria must be established through an agreement or even introduced into the constitution so it is known to all sides how this process could be initiated.

This sounds similar to the Revolutionary Guards and Iranian Army in Iran. They have proved to be an exremely successful force whether you like them or not. It has created a kind of race between the nations to armies - and when there is competition efficiency will naturally ensue. It is a win-win situation for Lebanon.

Thank you.

[Traffic]

Lover,

No thank you for opening up my eyes. Before your comments, my view of the world was blemished by common sense and logic, but no more.
I promise you, from now on, to work to arm my representative party to the teeth, and create our own private sectarian pseudo state, of course modeled around the example of the private firm that is Hezballah, and finally fuse it with the remnants of what should be a unified Lebanese state to create a hybrid form of governance so peculiar that you wouldn’t need to get high to enjoy its absurdity.

[ghassan karam]

Lover,
I have never in my life encountered such a twisted and convoluted logic as yours; not even from fuzzy Freshmen thinkers. If you cannot distinguish between the good works of an organization that operates within the law of the land and one which operates above the law, as a state within a state and one that wants to impose its ideology and political ideas on others by force then there is nothing to talk about. Stop recycling the same acrid wine by trying to put it in new bottles and please do not attempt to use Economics to justify your demented scheme when it is clear that you do not understand the subject matter.
Promoting social justice and delivering social services to ALL the public is one thing and acting as a foreign agent masquerading as a social worker is something else. (BTW, it sounds as if you are a college student who is badly in need of Logic 101). Peace.

[Shunkleash]

Lover,

Imagine we start with the totally correct position of how a CIVILISED society should operate..."In any civilized country, it is the government's job to provide the basic infrastructure and it is up to the populace to make what they can for themselves" WELL SAID BV!

After some tooing and froing and many hours of single finger typing on a key board we get this

"This ministry will OF COURSE (emphasis mine) have a minister - therefore it is under direct command of the government. This will LEGITIMISE HIZTEEZEE WORLDWIDE(ME AGAIN) etc."

So there you have it. One individual expends effort in good faith (BONA FIDES) to make a valid and lucid point about how a people should act AS A WHOLE and thereby help create and SUSTAIN a successful state. While the other fcukstick uses his opportunity to make the case for legitimising the very essence of why the sate can be declared FAILED.

Lover, unless you havn't guessed it, WE, who are not of washed brains or trolls, are advocating the COMPLETE AND TOTAL elimination of treacherous corporate/mafia pasdaran entities like hizbteezee because its shareholders and Directors act mala fides the efforts of innnocent third parties and the laws of the STATE. The returns on invesment are NIL NIL NIL when you talk of hizbteezee, it must therefore either be wound up, put into receivership or liquidated. GET IT?!? NO HIZBTEEZEE, NO MILITIAS, NO I LOVE SYRIA OR IRAN only I LOVE LEBANON and RESPECT ITS LAWS!

The rest of your argmuent was complete bullshit and you know it.

Ayesh lubnan

[Al]

Lebanon is probably the most sectarian country in the world, it's just absurd to expect one group to devote loyalty to a "state" ruled by other groups who work almost purely out sectarian interests.

I also don't think labeling shittes as mindless sheeps or zombies is likely to convince them to change their minds.

[Ace]

There is no doubt that the Government of Lebanon (which is not allowed to do it's job) should take care of all areas and all citizens of Lebanon.

Does everyone understand that that is not allowed in Hezboland? Everything has to be done through Hezbo - period, end of story. This is the way it works. The Government, NGO's, all aid, all services ...... everything through Hezbo. It's a cool deal the have. Constant complaints about being "marginalized", and they are exactly the ones that force that "marginalization". It keeps the people in line and the "party" in power.

[ghassan karam]

My dear Al,
I do not recall that a single person ,on these blog pages, has ever advocated the propagation of a sectarian system. It is actually just the opposite. So please spare me your sanctimoniousness especially when it is based on totally false premises. Further more no one has made any deregatory statements about the Shia as a group but the criticism and derision has been directed at the irrational and infantile arguments used by the opposition whether they be Shia, Maronite , Sunni or Druze ( read Nasrallah, Aoun, Karami, Hoss and Arslan).It appears that the ability to act above the law, act as a foreign agent and be unprincipled knows no sectarian bounds.

[Solomon2]

I have never in my life encountered such a twisted and convoluted logic as yours; not even from fuzzy Freshmen thinkers

GK, You're a social welfare economist, right? I don't doubt your judgment, none better - but why not set Lover's proposal up for your students to demolish?

That said, the idea of empowering a government agency to dispose of Hezbollah's complicated and manifold assets and responsibilities, giving orders and compensation to Hezbollah members directly, isolating in a separate location Nasrallah & Co. and going over their heads, would seem to have some merit. The idea never entered my head before Lover proposed it.

[Al]

"Does everyone understand that that is not allowed in Hezboland? Everything has to be done through Hezbo - period, end of story. This is the way it works. The Government, NGO's, all aid, all services ...... everything through Hezbo. It's a cool deal the have. Constant complaints about being "marginalized", and they are exactly the ones that force that "marginalization". It keeps the people in line and the "party" in power."

Is not true that even before hezbollah was formed that shias were still poor/less powerful than their sunni/christian counterparts?

ghassan karam "no one has made any deregatory statements about the Shia as a group"

---> "we, the Shia, will gladly enter into servitude because slavery is what we do best."

"I do not recall that a single person ,on these blog pages, has ever advocated the propagation of a sectarian system."

True or false, the system in place already is a sectarian system.

[Bad Vilbel]

Lover,

"Why can't we view Hezbollah as one large corporation"?

Because it isn't!

If it was registered as a corporation, that abided by rules and laws, then I'd have ZERO problem with your view.
But it's not!

Large corporations do not have weapons. Large corporations do not hold demand veto power in the government. Large corporations do not occupy downtown. Large corporations do not conduct cross-border raids. And the list goes on.

Your comment is akin to my saying "Why can't we view Nassrallah as Santa Claus?" .....BECAUSE HE ISN'T! The 2 have NOTHING in common, except a beard. That doesn't make them anything alike.

You missed the entire point of my previous rant. I said NONE OF IT would make any difference if you can't abide by the rules of the game that, whether you like it or not.
How can you even bring up Hezbollah in that same context? Not only do they ignore every rule, but they continually operate outside the realm of rules and laws. And if there are rules they don't like, instead of trying to get them changed through a legal framework, they simply ignore them. You simply cannot function in that context. Your view of the world is just beyond naive. You honestly think all this goes away if I just magically start thinking of hezbollah as a corporation? THEY ARE NOT A CORPORATION.

If you can go convince Nassrallah to drop all his weapons, follow the rule of law (and this includes not having your own sovereign islands in Lebanon, conducting cross border raids, etc.) and turn Hezballah into a private SAL corporation, registered with the Lebanese Ministry of whatever, then I'd be on board with you 100%. But until then, please stop living in this fantasy world.

If Hezballah was a corporation, pigs could fly, little mermaids would swim in the Mediteranean, all the politicians in Lebanon would commit mass suicide tomorrow morning and so on...

Btw, mr. Anti-mafia/corruption. You do realize that hezballah is also a mafia, that they also dabble in drug trafficking, to finance their operations, and that they operate no more cleanly than any of the other mafias in Lebanon.

Just making sure you're aware of that.

[Umm K.]

Al--

Clearly English is not your first language. If you don't get AK's sarcasm about being part of the Shia "slavery" sect (which he is, pay attention), then please do not bother to quote him.

[ghassan karam]

Al,
Thank you for making my point through your sensless, irresponsible and egregious remarks. The quotes that you have used are so much out of their context that they do not deserve a reply.

[Bad Vilbel]

Here's yet another doozy from yet another senile idiot. According to today's Daily Star:

Higher Shiite Council vice president Sheikh Abdel-Amir Qabalan called on the country's Christians to charge Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Butros Sfeir with choosing the "right man" to occupy the top post.

Do ANY of these idiots understand the concept of having a state and a constitution? It is Parliament's job to pick the next president. Repeat it after me: PARLIAMENT!
Not the patriarch, not Hassan Nassrallah, not Bashar Assad, not George Bush, not ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE. Get it? Capice? Understand?

If I hear one more supposedly "learned man" utter this kind of nonesense, I might lose it! The other day it was Salim Hoss suggesting the MPs go cast a ballot at Nabih Berri's house in a "mock election". And now this!

See, Lover, THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A FUNCTIONAL COUNTRY. Because the people we elect to represent us aren't even allowed to do their job (I am speaking of the MPs). Because idiots like Sfeir and now Qabbalan don't seem to grasp the idea of constitution, rules, laws, etc. Every idiot and their sister wants to suggest their own idea as to how to elect a president, how to form a government, how to discuss this or that issue. And you wonder why nothing works? You wonder why your million shia are not provided for by the government? THIS IS WHY! How are we supposed to get proper governance if we can't even rely on our representatives to do anything, because they keep getting undermined by every Sheikh, Bishop, Ambassador and asswipe this side of the Litani?

[fubar]

Well, I’ll be damned (again). That is one hell of a fine example of pasdar penis envy.

“This sounds similar to the Revolutionary Guards and Iranian Army in Iran.”

Well, no shit, Sherlock. Hmmm, I wonder who posited that very same endgame (Hezbollah wants to be like the Pasdaran) months ago?

BTW – “The idea never entered my head until Lover proposed it.”

Well, that is just too freakin’ funny since what is in your head is NOT what Romeo proposed.

Romeo is proposing the Hezbollah Transformer plan.

The problem:

1. “We all know that Lebanon hardly ever fights in big wars because then it would be a war of governments. War of governments lead to annexation. Annexation would lead to Lebanon’s non-existence.” BUT...

2. “Any invading country [Israel] can not blame a government perceived as weak [Lebanon] if a strong militia [Hezbollah] attacks it [Israel]. It [Israel] will have to go after that guerilla force [Hezbollah] and attempt to destroy that instead.” SO...

3. “So, how do we integrate Hezbollah so it is under the Lebanese government's authority but, at the same time, it can fight a successful war without making it 'look' like a country vs country war.”

The answer: TRANSFORMERS!

4. “A new ministry is opened up. Call it the National Resistance Ministry of Lebanon. Then make a unit in the army called the Hezbollah unit.”

5. “Their numbers will be kept classified and the only barracks set up will be temporary or hidden ones. All information concerning Hezbollah will be sent to the ministry of national resistance and the force itself will be managed, financed by that ministry as well. The ministry will consist of Hezbollah's Shura council to safeguard Hezbollah's source of power - secrecy over everything.”

6. “This ministry will of course have a minister - therefore it is under direct command of the government. This will legitimize Hezbollah worldwide, etc.”

Hmmm, obviation of 1559 and 1701 -- worldwide legitimization of Hezbollah by pretending to be subservient to the government. Check.

But wait, what happens when the Supreme Leader says, time to fight, boys? No problemo, Hezbollah is detachable!

7. “like any other minister and ministry, the minister can be fired and the ministry dissolved. No ministry will exist, but the force is still there and ready. It can fight under the ministries command etc but the only difference is that the ministry is not part of government anymore.”

There you have it, Hezbollah Transformers – Cover when cover is needed and plausible deniability when deniability is needed. That is just brilliant. NOT!

So, Romeo, what is Plan B if M14 decides it is tired of playing Hezbo 2 with back stabbing Hezbollah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FiIzq2MmBE

[Lover]

BadVibell:

You seem very annoyed not only by the opposition, but pretty much Lebanon in itself. You think a country can change without budging a single law.

Hezbollah and opposition tell you we want to reform this constitution because it is not working. It's not working for many reasons, not only because a million and a half people couldn't remove their government this year whereas 2 years ago 50,000 people did it. It's simply because we are still in the mess we are.

Fuck your and my representatives. Fuck every single one of those fucking bullshiting idiots. Nasrallah told you, GO vote for your president yourself. Not your corrupt representative who looks at this sheikh or that bishop as if he is God or his Son. You have your own say. Change the damn constitution, the Taif - all of it needs to go. We have hardly changed anything for the past 20 years or so. Laws that are a year old are too old - yet we still wonder why it is only our laws that don't work.

Today our laws are like Christmas lights - they are there to be looked at and maybe even admired, but never implemented. There is only a limit to how much you can enjoy a set of christmas lights/decorations without turning them on. You get the satisfaction and pleasure whent they are ON and FUNCTIONING.

Yet you attack whoever brings about that notion - but still complain nothngs working for you. You all totally rejected my idea in such a harsh way, I understand why there is so much trouble with the politicians.

I talked politely in that comment and proposed an idea like any sane person does to try and even find a compromise. I found out two things. Most of you don't want a compromise. You don't care about the millions of Lebanese who have different views as you. You claim Hezbollah is trying to force their ideology on everyone (what a retarded comment) but yet you show those signs more than they do by rejecting the very notion of compromise.

You tell me master shunkleash, how do you think you can disarm Hezbollah or place them under the governments control? Lets see what you have to say. BTW the answer to disarming Hezbollah is not "just disarm them maaaan they can't do shit..lets trample on all of them"...They WILL fight you if you try to fight them...and they WILL fuck you over...

[Umm K.]

Classic. "They WILL fight you if you try to fight them...and they WILL fuck you over..."

Thank you, Lover, for reiterating that Hizbullah would be willing to turn their weapons on other Lebanese if push comes to shove (i.e. their weapons come above all else). As if they didn't screw over their fellow citizens enough last summer. As long as people like you and Hizbullah continue to argue (and occupy the capital city, bullying their fellow citizens from entering) the merits of an armed militia, the state will fail. I will point my finger directly at people like you and will hold you responsible for the deaths to come.

[fubar]

Romeo,

"...and they WILL fuck you over..."

1. As Umm K. says, like Hezbollah hasn't already fucked Lebanon over. Duh!

2. You are quite the master of the obvious, Romeo. I am pretty sure that most everyone here pretty much figured out that was the plan a looooooong time ago.

But since you are kind enough to give fair warning, reciprocal news flash for you:

1. Hezbollah does not really respect non-believers.

2. Hezbollah does not respect gay men, either. Dude, what the hell are doing with a handle like "Lover" on a forum of mostly men, unless you get some kind of kick out of guys calling you "Lover"?

3. So, when Hezbollah is done using you as a tool, they WILL fuck YOU over, too. Count on it.

/Umm K., if you keep calling him "Lover", I am going to lose a big chunk of respect for AK. ;-)

/AK, US $1.07 - LOL.

[Shunkleash]

Don juan,

At last you show your true colours. "Hezbollah and opposition tell you WE want to reform this constitution because it is not working."

Now that you have been outed I wont even bother to answer your last query to me becasue it is obvious you have a rambo mentality. However, i will throw you a bone. I want you to answer the following series of questions as honestly as any hizbteezee/opposition supporter can.

1.If the constitution is not working why is it from the hizbteezee perspective that it has only just started to malfunction? Why did it not malfunction in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 etc? Why only in 2005? As far as I can remember Taif was in place since 1990 and so was hizbteezee. Why did they not go downtown then? Why now? Did they only just become loyal to lebanon?

2. How did hizbteezee come to the realisation that the taif constitution was not working? Have you/they actually attempted to abide by it? Does hizbteezee understand the concept of a constitution?

3. When PM hariri was murdered why did hizbteezee bring 500000 shia to downtown to support syria and to thank Syria? What did syria do in 30 yrs of occupying lebanon that we do not know about that we should thank it for? Why is hizbteezee not openly supporting the UN tribunal working to bring to justice the killers of a lebanese Prime minister? Why did hizbteezee not "resist" the occupation of lebanon by syria? Why has hizbteezee not attempted to find out about or obtain the release of the dozens/hundreds of lebanese prisoners in Syrian jails? Why are they only concerned with Nassir Kandil and another piece of shit who are convicted child killers? Does Hizbteezee believe the life of child is sacred? Does hizbteezee beleive that shia children are anything other than new material for the "resistance"?

4. Why did hizbteezee attack israel last year? Why did they kill/kidnap israeli soldiers? Why did they use innocent people as shields against israeli missles? Why did they place missles on the roof of an orphanage and place all of the orphans in the basement when they knew that israel would attack the building? Why does hizbteezee believe that the palestinian problem is problem of every lebanese? Why does hizbteezee not look for a solution to the issue of palestine insted of supporting hamas and islamic jihad with waepons and money and training?

5. Where does hizbteezee get the money to pay for all the love it shows to the shia? If not from an outside source, and all the shia in lebanon are poor and stupid because of the americans and the jews and christians and sunnis and druze, who do they get their financing from? If from an outside source do they hold allegiance and give their loyalty to those outsiders or to lebanon? Whhy does hizbteezee follow the dictates of Iran and the dead piece of shit Ayatollah ruhollah khomeini? Why does hizbteezee parade its militia on the streets and salute nazi style?

5. Why is hizbteezee occupying downtown and ruining the lives of ordinary people who are tying to make a living? Why does hizbteezee think that this is a legitimate form of protest when in any other country (even communist or islamic) they would be arrested? Why are parts of beirut controlled by hizbteezee off limits to the police and army? Why are they stopping the government from helping all the citizens who live in those areas?

6. why did hizbteezee want to draw a red line against the army when it was battling syrian sponsored fatah al islam? Why does hizbteezee believe they make sense when they say that M14 is killing its own mps?

7. why does hizbteezee not support the monitoring of our borders? Why does hizbteezee are its members to the teeth with imported arms from syria and iran? Why does hizbteezee announce it has 50000 "fighters' all accross lebanon strategically placed to ensure we pesky members of the majority are kept in check? Why is hizbteezee arming at all when the great enemy israel shows no sign of wanting to attack us? If hizbteezee will not use it weapons against the lebanese why are they arming? If they only mean certain lebanese sects then which sects are they NOT going to fight? Why is it that only hizbteezee is allowed to negotiate with israel and no one else is? Why are the supporters of hizbteezee not angry about this? Why is hizbteezee building telphone connections in beirut? Why is hizbteezee building highways and fortified bunkers north of the litani?

8. why is hizbteezee in league with a lunatic fruit cake like michel aoun? Do they beleive that he has the majority of the christian vote? What in the recent past makes them beleive this?

9. How long would hizbteezee last without money to give away freely? Why does that fat bearded fuck hassan nasrallah hide in a hole but proclaim a divine victory? why was he begging our pussy pm to agree a ceasefire if he was winning the war? why did the hizbteezee mps resign from government and cause a rift? If they have resigned why are they still going to work?

10. Apart from wishing for martyrdom does anyone in hizbteezee beleive that they can stop a bullet? Does hizbteezee beleive that in a new civil war they will win? Do they understnad that nothing will be left to win if that happened? Does hizbteezee beleive that lebanese who want to be free and live in peace will not fight back to preserve that freedom? Does hizbteezee know that if a single syrian soldier set foot in lebanon again he will be leaving on his back?

Ponder these questions carefully? When you have balls to answer them go right ahead. However, refrain from using what is called the moral equivalency argument (look it up). Also you can not begin any response with the words israel, zionist, american agenda, the resistance, you people or the majority. You must alos answer the questions in total not piece at a time.

This should keep you busy for a while.

Ayesh lubnan

[Bad Vilbel]

Lover,

You bet I am pissed off at the entire Lebanese system, not just the opposition. I have no problem with a proper democracy, setup where the people vote for the president, where sectarianism is abolished, etc. That's my preferred system. And I'm all for changing laws, changing the constitution, etc.

But you don't seem to understand that I am advocating that change based on non-violent, peaceful ways. And based on changing the system from within the system. There are ways to amend the constitution in every country, including Lebanon.

I don't see what that has to do with Hezbollah. Just because they are SAYING they want to reform the system does not mean that's what they are actually doing, or working towards. Do not be fooled by Nasrallah advocating we go elect our president by popular vote. Nasrallah has shown time and again that he'll say whatever suits HIM and his backers. Not to mention that Nassrallah has shown time and again that he'll turn around and ignore the very rules he's proposing the moment they stop suiting him.

Let's say a popular vote happened tomorrow, and let's say a M14 president was elected by 51% of the popular vote. You think Nasrallah will accept that? He'll switch around his stance faster than you could say "boo" and start claiming that his Shia are not represented. And he'll start claiming that the 51% has no right to dictate their will on other 49% and he'll start clamoring for some sort of "consensus" president. And he'll refuse to recognize the M14 president.
Hezbollah has already made it clear they won't recognize an M14 president (whether he's elected legally or not). Who made them judge of what you can or can't recognize? Why is it ok for Nassrallah and his goons to dictate what rules we should follow? I'll tell you what: The fact that he has weapons. That's it.
Otherwise, if any Hassan is allowed to make up his own rules today and say "let's vote by popular vote" because it suits him, what's to stop Maroun tomorrow from making up his own rules too and saying "Let the Christians have a referendum about whether they want their own independent Christian state". And if such a referendum were to pass, you think Nassrallah would accept this new "Christian Republic of Mount Lebanon" to secede and have its own country? And if not, why not? Why is it he can demand referendums but no one else can?

You see how badly things go once people start inventing their own rules? You simply cannot do that. Anytime you allow one guy to make his own rules, you immediately give everyone else the same moral authority to make up their own rules. What if Walid Jumblatt wants to call for a refrendum in the Chouf to determine if the Chouf should declare independence? Or maybe Siniora wants to call for a referendum about separating the South from the rest of Lebanon and expelling every Shia in his territory? What if people voted "yes" on that? Would you accept that too?
Or you just accept Nassrallah's demands but no one else's?

[Cedar Revolution/Gebran's Sons]

Lover, if you want a detailed answer, read these two articles below written in January 2006. Briefly, the worst and most degrading treatment of an underprivileged population is the creation of a state of dependency and subsidy disguised as welfare. This is what created the misery and social/economic collapse of Communism and countries like Iran, Syria, Cuba and North Korea. Iran was near bankruptcy few years ago if it wasn’t for the sudden rise in oil revenues. It has always been the same story under these oppressive regimes: freedom is the first victim, followed by intellectuals, then the middle class. Then there is the creation of the external threat “the great Satan” to blame it for all domestic ills and distract the population from their misery. The radicalized impoverished crowds will be brainwashed from infancy and used to safeguard and shield an incompetent regime from accountability. All meaningful debates and ideas will be extinguished. Oppression is justified on national security basis… and so on! How else can incompetent dictators like Chavez, Assad, Castro, Ahmadenajad justify spending precious resources on military armaments and subsidies to terrorist groups while their population live in poverty. Ahmadenajad and General Nassrallah use massive subsidies to buy loyalties at the expense of human dignity, freedom and creative spirit. A liberated Shiite community operating in a free, transparent and democratic country, in the midst of a region full of potential, will bring true development and social justice. Subsidies and dependency will create another Cuba, Iran or North Korea. Choose wisely 
http://www.gatago.com/soc/culture/lebanon/2551738.html
http://www.lebaneselobby.org/News__index/Freelancers/01%2001%2006%20Lebanons%20New%20Jailer.htm

[JoseyWales]

Shunkleash,

I hope you have a key programmed to type "hizbteezee". ;)

One more question for hizbteezee supporters: It's obvious from all their actions that they refuse Taef, yet they publically say we are in favor of Taef. ???

(Same with Michoteezee, who came back to Leb on the basis of accepting Taef.)

I know, they all love Taef but want to change it for "one-time only", and "another time only" and...

[Super Dude]

Not to distract you from this thread, but does anyone have a link to a statement by the Lebanese PM saying that his government will assume its responsibilities as per the Lebanese Constitution if a president is not elected?

I have been looking for it since Thursday, did I just imagine it?

Thank you.

[JoseyWales]

Dude,

Statement or not, why would the Saniora gvmnt assume their responsibilities after Nov 24, when they did not do so the past 3 years?

On Nov 25, will they fire a bunch of people (including the resigned mofos in the gvmmt) and appoint non-Syrian lackeys to 2amn 3aam, army head, ambassadorships and the constitutional council?

Not holding my breath.

[Lover]

To Shunkleash:
"Why did they place missles on the roof of an orphanage and place all of the orphans in the basement when they knew that israel would attack the building?"

And you call others crazy conspiratists?

As soon as I read that sentence and the paragraph it was in, I didn't even bother to read the rest of the ass dribble you had to say. THAT was enough.

You really,,, in your deepest of hearts believe Hezbollah were organising mass rituals like that? I pitty you, seriously.

[Bad Vilbel]

uhm. Yeah. I like how you believe in far more scary conspiracy theories, but you refuse to believe that Hezballah would fire their missiles from civilian areas. Hah!

I take it you're not old enough to remember the 75-90 civil war.

[J.]

Shunkleash...

Wow! what a beautifully written list. It's a pity that 'Lover' is intellecutially bankrupt for he, and most of his flock, can't rise to this level of debate.

[fubar]

Romeo,

Without taking sides, just saying, at least there is video evidence of Hezbollah firing from civilian areas...

Qana --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS1fX3b-gpk

There are many similar videos from the war of Hezbollah firing from civilian areas...

And Hezbollah does have a history of making propoganda use of dead children...

So what do you have to show for your faith in the goodness of Hezbollah? Obviously, you are too young to remember when Hezbollah was shooting at fellow Lebanese Shia, including Lebanese Shia women and children...

Well, see for yourself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_O3LcOSK0I&eurl=

So, you see, your revelation that Hezbollah will fuck other Lebanese over is not really news, is it?

[Hazbani]

An observation on love and lovers.
A country has an army and there is no army without a country. There are revolutions and such and there are invasions and occupations and such but these are inside well defined borders, as in Iraq or Afganistan or even Israel and Palestine. Invasions and cross border military operations from one side of a marked border to the other, Lebanon and Israel for example, are another story. [ The Lebanese prisoners in Israel which Hizb. want were caught inside Israel, the Israeli soldiers were captured inside Israel].
That arrangement is basically the international law of war. That is why there are borders and flags and uniforms and ranks and laws of war etc. Please tell lover that what he proposes for the military system of Lebanon can be copied by any other country in the world and in the Middle East. And then country X or Y or Z will be invaded, or shot at, by an army which is not an army, from a country which is not a country, commanded by officers which are not and directed by a secret political command that is totally unknown and this army will be not realy an army but a resistance thing, and so on and so forth. People have tried such tricks previously, they never work between two countries with marked border between. The result is wide spread death and destruction. That is why the UN said its say about privet armies in Lebanon. The lover is trying to invent a trick, have a war for free without cost. It can not be done.

[Charlie]

I am doing a bit of catching up on my reading today and I was amused by Lover’s posts. So when I read this sentence from his post in reference to HA fucking people over:

“They WILL fight you if you try to fight them...and they WILL fuck you over”

It reminded me of his age. Lover is clearly too young and didn’t live through the previous war to learn anything from it. See lover, HA will fuck no one over but themselves and the rest of the country with them. During the last war, no one was able to get the upper hand and in the end everyone got fucked, and trust me, if it is to happen again, I assure you it will be a mutually destructive exercise. You may think today HA has the upper hand on the street because of few rockets and few fighters dressed in black, but rest assure when the shit hits the fan all sides will have that and some. In the end all will fuck each other over. This is no longer the day where the Syrians are going to keep HA roaming, arming to the teeth while the other groups are kept from doing the same. The longer HA holds on to their guns the more the other groups are going to feel the urge to arm.

Oh and by the way, the notion of having a fighting group separate from the government so the government is provided with plausible deniability is a joke. For Israel will have to hold the Lebanese government responsible, as they should, for any military action that is initiated from within its borders weather HA military is part of the ISF/Army or not.

A country as small as Lebanon, with small population, no geographical depth or an economy to finance a war is not the place to create a citadel.

If HA’s interests, or yours for that matter, is prosperity and economical growth to the South and Bekaa, then you must start with providing a stable secure environment and guarantee property right. Believe me, having a wild man in a black turbane shouting death to America and threatening this and that is not the kind of catalyst that will help you economically. Lebanon might be the promise land to you and other Lebanese, but not too many are going to drop their investment money there only to see it abused or go up in flames. I know you have not taken Economics 101 yet, but once you do next semester you will come to appreciate it…

[ghassan karam]

Many agree that the current Syrian regime is very good for Israel. The Syrian Israeli borders are secure and no militias are tolerated. As a result the border has been peaceful for 34 years. Why don't we apply the same logic to the Lebanese domestic political impasse. If we do it becomes clear that the best thing for HA is to keep the Saniora cabinet in power and to postpone as long as possible the resumption of normalcy in the domestic sphere.

HA is not interested in having a President such as Aoun or even Charles Rizk for that matter. HA does not aspire to have the premiership either. Their real goal is to be the vanguards that can always come to the aid of Iran and Syria when the circumstances warrant it and to keep Israel guessing about its intentions and capabilities. So what is important to HA? It is the ability to arm, build an infrastructure,replace the frontline positions that were lost during the 2006 summer war. All of the above and more have proceeded unimpeded and one might even suggest with the blessings of the PM. The stream of weapons from Syria cannot take place without the knowledge of the government neither the construction of a telecommunication network and major fortifications both to the North of the Litani and in the Beka'a.
I guess that what I am raising is the possibility that PM Saniora is not as incompetent as many of us naive folks have thought but he has at best a split loyalty to some March 14 ideals but canno and will not stop the "resistance" .Obviously things might even be worst than what we think, he and Suleiman have provided the cover for HA to achieve all its goals unhindered. The above logic will further suggest that PM Saniora would have been even more openly cooperative with HA or at least even less of a critic than he has been had it not been for Jumblatt, Geagea and others. How about an investigative report titled: Is Saniora a mole? :-)

[fubar]

Jeha & Charlie,

SAS raiders enter Iran to kill gunrunners

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2691726.ece

Liam Fox, the Conservative defence spokesman, said: “Increasingly Iran poses a direct threat to our armed forces and our wider interests . . . they are playing a very dangerous game.”

******

British understatement.

[Shunkleash]

Lover,

"ass dribble"?..."assssssss dribble"?...I like that one:-)

Ok, so I gave you a test. A simple one really. All you had to do was exhibit the ability to know when to come to the table and debate openly and frankly and when to rage against the machine. Guess what? As expected, you failed handsomely!

Without intending (or being honest enough) to answer my questions you have resorted to the tried and true method of every political party hack, charlatan, sheitan and propagandist. When faced with facts and being unable to continue a charade riddled with lies you resort to personal attacks to hide your ignorance, immaturity, treachery, physical and mental corruption and moral bankruptcy. Sadly, you are no different to the politicians running lebanon.

Good luck and I truly hope to meet you one day AFTER you have grown up a little.

Ayesh Lubnan

[Jeha]

Fubar,

Interesting. Especially in the context of increased Kurdish assertiveness. The best way for the SAS to run successful ops in Iran is to rely on Kurds and (maybe) Azeris. That may also explain recent Turkish posturing; the proclaimed foray into Iraq may be a signal to the Allies not to raise Kurdish hopes too much.

It is a "dangerous game" indeed. It is as if the Mullahs are being pressed on all fronts, with consequences for Iran's internal stability. Would there be a link with the rise of "contacts" with Balouchi smugglers with on the Eastern border?

[Najad]

Text: Veiled threats from Syria regarding Lebanese leadership in Syrian letter to UN "such behaviors... lacking moral and political ethics leaving no room for
serious dialogue between the two countries"
Syria Hopes that the Lebanese Will Be Able to Find Conciliatory Solution
that Satisfies All the Lebanese
Friday, October 19, 2007 - 01:50 PM
www.sana.org/eng/21/2007/10/19/144284.htm

Damascus,(SANA - Syrian news agency)-

A Syrian official source said yesterday that Syria sent a letter to UN.
Secretary General in which she reiterated her full respect of Lebanon's
sovereignty and independence.

The source said that the letter stressed that Lebanon will hold in the next
few weeks the presidential elections , and should agree on how the country
will be run , in addition to finding solutions to numerous other problems .

The letter added that Syria stressed the necessity for non interference in
the Lebanese internal affairs, hoping that the Lebanese will be able through
dialogue to reach common denominators that will ensure coexistence for all .

The letter indicated that what concerns Syria most is Lebanon's suffering
from high tension threatening its very presence and future , pointing out
to the interference of a well known super power

that deepens further the problems that are dangerously threatening Lebanon's
security and stability , by taking sides with some parties and blaming Syria
whenever it fails to impose its suspected approaches on Lebanon.

The letter added that Syria which was looking for best relations with
Lebanon , expressed readiness to extend support to the Lebanese brothers ,
noticing with regret that there are some Lebanese figures with well-known
foreign support are taking radical positions that do not serve establishing
good relations between the two countries . and they recently visited the
United Nations to distort Syria's image and to provoke the UN. Security
Council against her.

The letter described such behaviors as lacking moral and political ethics
leaving no room for serious dialogue between the two countries.

High government officials and leaders of some militias who took part in the
blood shedding of the Lebanese people during the civil war have been taking
part in such campaign against Syria , pointing out to the Lebanese prime
minister's letter to the United Nations secretary general on Oct. 2007 which
was full of all forms of lies and delusion, the letter stressed.

The letter indicated that Syria has stayed above such allegations and
provocative campaigns and has remained standing by Lebanon in the face of
the major challenges storming Lebanon and the region.

The letter added that Syria sacrificed 13 thousand of her soldiers to put
out the fires started by the Lebanese war lords to preserve the Lebanese
unity and stability.

The letter said that the Lebanese prime minister had accused Syria of
supporting Fatah alIslam Organization in a desperate attempt to cover
Lebanese parties which are represented in the government.

The letter added that the Lebanese prime minister knew very well the general
support extended by Syria to the Lebanese army during its fight with Fatah
alIslam and how Syria closed its borders in the framework of that support.

The letter reiterated that Syria implemented all that is connected with her
as far as Resolution 1559 by withdrawing all troops and security personnel
from Lebanon .

The letter reiterated the necessity for the Representative of UN. Secretary
General Terry Rod Larsen's reports to UN. Security Council to be objective
and credible without taking sides with any Lebanese party against the other,
and should be clear from any fabricated accusations against Syria.

The letter stressed that the Israeli violations which are carried out on
daily basis of Resolution 1701, has proven that Israel is the one that
doesn't respect UN. resolutions.

The Israeli aggression on Lebanon last year was not launched out of the
Israeli care for sovereignty and independence of Lebanon , and it is
regretting that the Security council did not react to that aggression nor to
the failed Israeli raid on Syria in Sept.2007.

A.N.Idelbi

[Charlie]

Fubar,

An increased British action against Iran will be Bush’s best bet to direct some blows to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Inc. in support of the Britts without having to wrestle too hard with the Congress. I seriously doubt the Bush administration will leave office before attempting something against Iran. I would think they want to set things in motion and set the tempo for the next president.

Personally, I think it is an important message that must be delivered to the Iranian regime. It will essentially say playing good cop/bad cop with us will not fly any more.

[ghassan karam]

Fubar/Jeha/Charlie,
You aren't really pinning your hopes on the British SAS are you? I am sure that they are one of the best trained units but when was the last time that they saw meaningful action, was it WWII? And let us not forget about the financial constraints and the antipathy of the British public for any good size military operation. The SAS operation will not achieve much.