How Israel plans to win its war

This is how Israel’s mighty army plans to win the war against Hizbullah:

A senior General Staff officer told Haaretz that for the first time since the fighting began, Israel plans to attack strategic infrastructure targets and symbols of the Lebanese government.

The officer said, "we are now in a process of renewed escalation. We will continue hitting everything that moves in Hezbollah - but we will also hit strategic civilian infrastructure."

Sources in the IDF General Staff said that until the chances of a UN-sponsored cease-fire become clearer, which is expected to happen in the coming days, Israel will continue to press its offensive. If Hezbollah has not ceased its fire by this weekend, they added, the IDF will recommend an additional significant expansion of the operation, including the conquest of most of Lebanon south of the Litani River, including the area around Tyre, and a significant increase in air strikes on infrastructure targets. "It could be that at the end of the story, Lebanon will be dark for a few years," said one.

Of course, Israel knows that even if this non-binding resolution passes, it can continue its operations. In fact, Israel won’t stop until the Lebanese government is as effective as the Palestinian Authority. I am waiting for someone to ask Condoleezza Rice about these statements, since she wants the Lebanese government to disarm Hizbullah and all.

Comments

[R]

Good catch Abu Kais, I was going to write aomething about this but now that you have...
One question worth asking though is how can the hitting the symbols of the Lebanese government help Israel win its war against HA.

In an unrelated not, it seems that the consensus in Lebanon is that HA is winning this war simply by inflicting military losses on Israel and being able to hit the Israeli depth. This consensus is obvious even in the words of politicians like Jumblatt, who have been at odds with HA and its policy...

[fubar]

What do you expect?

Did you not see Haifa today? Another of those Iranian Hezbollah rockets targeting military targets missed its mark.

What is it now - 3000 rockets fired and three have hit military targets - the warship (which by the war is repaired and back on patrol today), a tank was damaged a week or so ago, and a number of IDF soldiers were killed today.

But just wait till we get to the "beyond Haifa stage." One strike on Tel Aviv and all bets are off, Lebanon is totally destroyed.

Lebanon has already lost this war. When does the Lebanese government want to seriously discuss the terms of surrender? According to Berri, not yet, they want the terms of a victor and Iranian Hezbollah will continue to fight until they get them.

So the fight rages on.

Why are you outraged at Israel when Iranian Hezbollah is winning according to the Lebanese (as R says)?

The real fight for Lebanon is not occuring on the battlefied, it is occurring within the Lebanese government.

[Vox P]

Kais, chapter VI is binding, as are all the resolution voted by the security council. The resolutions that are not binding are those of the general assembly. But only resolutions voted under chapter VII might lead to the use of force or to economic sanctions against one of the parties.

But don't worry, binding or non-binding, a resolution will not change anything to the conflict on the terrain.

[Ghassan Karam]

It appears to this observor that the Lebanese government ,as usual, wants to have it both ways. They want to use the humanitarian card and say that they have a plan to disarm HA and thus all this damage inflicted upon them is not called for and thus must stop immedistely and at the same time they do not dare ask HA to disarm but actually ask for language in the proposed UNSC resolution that would actually satisfy IRAN-Syria-HA. This strategy will not work. If the present group of cabinet ministers continue along this unadvisable course then I am afraid that their policy will only result in more deaths, destruction and a weaker bargaining position. We can argue all what we want about how is it that we are winning the war of PR and perception but the fact of the matter is that Israel is the only conceivable winner on the battle field, thus far. The sooner we admit that reality the better of it would be for Lebanon.

Why would rational people inflict damage on themselves?

[e]

I think the Lebanese do not understand the hostile mood of the Israelis. Since Lebanon has supported HA and is resisting the UN resolution, Israelis support the complete destruction of Lebanese infrastructure. The Lebanese must take this into account and appease Israeli public opinion somehow or it bodes badly for Lebanon.

I know this is not fair or just, but these are the facts on the ground. The common Israelis do not differntiate anymore between HA and Lebanon.

[Geo]

The Lebanese government are stooges for Iran and Syria enabling Hezbollah. Their marching orders are prescribed from Tehran and innocent Lebanese civilians are the cost of achieving their goals. It will soon be evident that the only way we (non muslims) can defeat the Jihadist's is to take on Iran. The Khomeini,his Mullahs and Ahmedijerk have to pay the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs. This will not be the end of Islamic extremists, but will be a very good start. Israel realizes that it is fighting for its very existence and it amazes me,the restraint they have shown. Few in the west realize the danger of the worldwide massing of Islamic forces determined to kill or subjugate our societies. This is a war that we must fight without mercy, the only victory is a total one. Israel and the US should be ready to unleash holy hell upon those that wish us harm and not worry about the public relation problem with Europe or any other appeasers. Fuck the diplomats it's time to get down.

[mike alpha]

Nasrallah seems to be fighting this war by emulating Hitlers' suicidal campaign on the eastern front. Fight to the death, no resupply or retreat of trapped troops, no regrouping, no attempt to defend his country or spare it's inhabitants. Hezb'allah is sacrificing everything they have to inflict casualties on Israel.

As the Israeli casualties mount any protection Lebanon might have accrued from it's suffering will tend dissapate. The casualties will also provoke Israel to take sterner measures (just as this post claims).

Nasrallah's strategy is not a winning military strategy. It's a suicidal act of desperation. I only wish that Hezb'allah would self-destruct without taking so many innocents with them.

[Ghassan Karam]

Vox,
I don't know why we have to keep visiting the subject of the difference between chapter six and chapter seven resolutions:-) Believe me when I say that I have done extensive work on this issue a long time ago and I have not found a single worthy reference or source that would negate what Abu Kais said. Chapter six resolutions are NOT binding while chapter seven and many suggest non chapter six resolutions are binding. You are also right to state that only chapter seven resolutions confer on the Security Council the privilege to revisit an issue and make sure that the resolution is implemented by force if necessary.

What is important in this case is that 242 is under chapter six i.e. it is non binding and no force can be used in implementing it while 1559 is under chapter seven and it has to be implemented i.e all militias on Lebanese soil must be disarmed.

[mike alpha]

I should also add that Israel has a good military and would probably like a real fight. if they could fight an enemy in uniforms who had any rational strategy they could respect such a foe. However having to kill civilians in order to get military targets , having to track down and slaughter cutoff troops who expend anti-tank ordinance in order to kill an Israeli infantryman because they have been ordered to fight to the death undoubtably enrages the Israeli military. Read about how the U.s. marines who fought the Japanese to the death, no quarter, on Iwo Jima fealt about their enemy.

When you are fighting homocidal lunatics no one expects you to be a stickler for the rules. There are very serious dangers to Lebanon in what Nasrallah is doing.

[fubar]

"The common Israelis do not differntiate anymore between HA and Lebanon."

The same can be said for the average citizen of every country in the world.

And the PR war is not over. It has not hit the major news yet but not only is Cana unraveling (as HRW admits the number of dead was 28, not Iranian Hezbollah's 56), but a Reuters photographer, Adnan Hajj, one of the photographers at Cana, has been caught photoshopping pictures from Lebanon to make the destruction look worse than it is. Reuters has pulled his photos and is conducting an investigation; however, so are many other independents and they have already found several false photos. This is not good for Lebanon as within days (a week at most), this will hit the major media. When it does, most Americans will begin to dismiss the photos they see from Lebanon as untrustworthy. Not that any significant number of Americans side with Lebanon to begin with, but it does no good to turn away the neutral or even supportive.

When a major news organization is shown to have a bias, it is not good. Anyone remember CBS and Rathergate.

[fubar]

How Berri hijacked the "Government" position with the help of Reuters:

"A few hours after a Franco-American draft for a UN Security Council resolution was released, pro-Hezbollah lobbies and allies launched a campaign to hijack the response of Lebanon to the United Nations. As noted by seasoned observers the campaign started at the top with an alert release by News Agency Reuters written by Lin Noueihed. The article, put out early Sunday has reached the four corners of the Globe and its title has framed the position of the Lebanese people in a “no” to the UN expected resolution. Amazingly enough, Lin Noueihid titles her release “Lebanon rejects draft UN resolution.” But when you read the release you realize that the “representative” of all of Lebanon in the eyes of the Reuters reporter is no one other than pro-Syrian, Hezbollah ally, Nabih Berri, the leader of Shiite Movement Amal."
-- Walid Phares

[M. Simon]

Here is why rational people would inflict damage on themselves.

Hope for a propaganda victory.

Evidently with the Qana story unraveling further it is not working as planned.

Bloggers get results

As number of European newspapers are getting in on the debunking act, the HA is starting to lose the European front. They have already lost the American front.

Time to declare defeat, unconditionally surrender, and get some peace. Instead of saying what terms you want it would be wise to ask what terms you can get.

[The Perpetual Refugee]

I have to agree with 'e'.

When I said I know 'them', this is exactly what I was talking about. You gotta look at the everyday Dudu or Shlomo or Ofir...see what they think.

The Israeli political system to fragile. They pander to their constituency just like any good 'ol American politician.

The Lebanese PR machine needs to address this fact. The government needs to address these normal everyday people.

[someone]

The plan of the war ,is more a pressure strategy on Lebanon,by more destruction of its infrastructures,and perhaps killing more civilians if needed : The draft of the resolution gave more time to "israel" in order to ,at least ,make more pressure by more destructio ,in the remaining few days,since US knows that "israel" cant win the war by more ground battles,or "israel" told them.

Is this a plan of war?

I think it is more a political war now : US gave Lebanon a plan of "how to surrender" by its resolution and gave "israel" a plan of "how to make more pressure on Lebanon" ,to accept this plan.

The milishia is in south Lebanon ,not to occupate it ,but to fight against "israel" soldiers when they come in,now they are there,so for the milishia it is the best way to express themselves ,it is not a probleme for them,it is a chance to gain more legitimacy and extended existence ,at least for lebaneses,the occupation of the south lasted from 1982 to 2000, and the milishia was always there to fight,and it is ready for another contract with this occupation,the only way for this milishia to survive and still exist ,is the presence of "israel" in the south,so welcome in.

[Jeha]

I am afraid that the real fighting may have taken a momentum of its own.

To the United States and Israel, the overriding concern is Iran, and Hezb one of its main strategic cards. Regardless of the early succces, this card has now been spent prematurely...

To Lebanon, the overriding concern is development; we have yet to claw back our way from the war and the occupation. With most of its population gone, Southern Lebanon has fallen militarily. Should Israel be willing to pay the "blood" price, All that is left is for Israel to push through and occupy it.

[JihadNow]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

What does the Arabic word jihad mean?

One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.

As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.

Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.
But jihad's most ghastly present reality is in Sudan, where until recently the ruling party bore the slogan "Jihad, Victory and Martyrdom." For two decades, under government auspices, jihadists there have physically attacked non-Muslims, looted their belongings and killed their males.

Jihadists then enslaved tens of thousands of females and children, forced them to convert to Islam, sent them on forced marches, beat them and set them to hard labor. The women and older girls also suffered ritual gang-rape, genital mutilation and a life of sexual servitude.

Sudan's state-sponsored jihad has caused about 2 million deaths and the displacement of another 4 million - making it the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of our era.

[mike alpha]

By any rational measure hezb'allah the "defender" of Lebanon has lost this war. The only decision is whether to die to the last man. There is no question that Israel can kill everyone south of the Litani, if they are willing to be slow and careful they can minimize civilian casualties. However the more casualties Israel sustains the less willing they will be to be slow and careful. By prolonging a war that cannot be won Nasrallah reveals himself to be interested in only one thing; not the defense of Lebanon ; not the well being of the Shia ; all he cares for is Israeli blood. No price seems to be to high for him is only he can kill some infidels. He is a homocidal maniac and the sooner is is gone the better of Lebanon and the world will be.

[Ghassan Karam]

A story in todays An Nahar is a further llustration that those who claim that the Lebanese government will disarm HA once the fighting stops and the Israeli forces are out of the country base their ideas on nothing much beyond wishful thinking.

Shaikh Fadllallah,a maja'a,declared in Lebanon that disarming HA is tantamount to treason and is not going to happen. Even if a 20 mile buffer zone is agreed upon, Israel would have bought itself some partial security and Lebanon would have become an unabashed Hizzbollahstan.

[peace]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

What does the Arabic word jihad mean?

One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.

As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.

Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.
But jihad's most ghastly present reality is in Sudan, where until recently the ruling party bore the slogan "Jihad, Victory and Martyrdom." For two decades, under government auspices, jihadists there have physically attacked non-Muslims, looted their belongings and killed their males.

Jihadists then enslaved tens of thousands of females and children, forced them to convert to Islam, sent them on forced marches, beat them and set them to hard labor. The women and older girls also suffered ritual gang-rape, genital mutilation and a life of sexual servitude.

Sudan's state-sponsored jihad has caused about 2 million deaths and the displacement of another 4 million - making it the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of our era.

[shlemazl]

I am confused. The Haartz link does not provide the same quote. Where is it from?

[Oceanguy]

Hizbollah is Lebanon. The Lebanese people have spoken through opinion polls and on CNN, they are united with Hizbollah against Israel.

Nothing more need be said. For 6 years Lebanon had the chance to disarm or at least co-opt Hizbollah... instead Hizbollah took over and co-opted the supposed freedom-loving Lebanese.

[M. Simon]

someone,

"War is politics by other means". Clauzwitz

Nice to see you catching on.

And you ae correct. Hizbollah has been told how to surrender. If they feel surrender is not in their interest they may fight on and Israel may respond.

Fair enough?

jeha,

Terms have been offered for the end of the fighting and an end of the (short) occupation. If the terms are not suitable the fight will continue.

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Hizbollah and Hamas have constructed core ideologies based upon this Islamic theology of Jew hatred, which one can glean readily from their foundational documents, and subsequent pronouncements, made ad nauseum. Hamas further demonstrates openly its adherence to a central motif of Jew-hatred in Muslim eschatology—Article 7 of the Hamas Charter concludes with a verbatim reiteration of the apocalyptic hadith alluded to earlier:

“The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: `Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him’; but the tree Gharkad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6985).

Apocalyptic Muslim Jew-hatred

[Abu Kais]

Shlemazl, Haaretz changed the link it seems.

I took that from an article they posted last night US time.

[someone]

"As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims."

This is mabe the definition of jews of jihad.Or maybe how they want the world to understand it .

Jihad,is the defense of muslims of their faith ,when they feel their faith is attacked,they defend it ,if there is a cultural war on muslims ,for example,then there is jihad to keep the islamic faith for muslims,if the land where muslim lives is attacked (then their faith is in danger) then they should defend the land where they live in order to defend their faith.

If muslims are left to believe as God want them to do,then there will be peace ,but jews wont let them keep their faith,nor let them live as they want in their lands,so jihad is needed,which is unliked by jews.

The one who want peace from muslims,should let them alone do what they want in their lands.

Obs: Attacking the world trade center the 11-09-2001 is not jihad,killing civilians in Indonesia,is not jihad,suicide bombing is not jihad,kidnapping people to kill them is not jihad.

[someone]

"As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims."

This is mabe the definition of jews of jihad.Or maybe how they want the world to understand it .

Jihad,is the defense of muslims of their faith ,when they feel their faith is attacked,they defend it ,if there is a cultural war on muslims ,for example,then there is jihad to keep the islamic faith for muslims,if the land where muslim lives is attacked (then their faith is in danger) then they should defend the land where they live in order to defend their faith.

If muslims are left to believe as God want them to do,then there will be peace ,but jews wont let them keep their faith,nor let them live as they want in their lands,so jihad is needed,which is unliked by jews.

The one who want peace from muslims,should let them alone do what they want in their lands.

Obs: Attacking the world trade center the 11-09-2001 is not jihad,killing civilians in Indonesia,is not jihad,suicide bombing is not jihad,kidnapping people to kill them is not jihad.

[dougjnn]

Abu Kais—

Sources in the IDF General Staff said that until the chances of a UN-sponsored cease-fire become clearer, which is expected to happen in the coming days, Israel will continue to press its offensive. If Hezbollah has not ceased its fire by this weekend, they added, the IDF will recommend an additional significant expansion of the operation, including the conquest of most of Lebanon south of the Litani River, including the area around Tyre, and a significant increase in air strikes on infrastructure targets. "It could be that at the end of the story, Lebanon will be dark for a few years," said on.

It’s apparent that what Israel wants to do is trade stopping it’s air campaign against Lebanese infrastructure and supposed Hez assets in Tyre and the southern suburbs of Beirut for a cessation of rocket attacks. It’s here threatening to step it up unless Hezbollah goes along.

Israel isn’t going to withdrawl until the international force is agreed to, organized and coming in. France is just fine with that.

Hez attacking Israeli ground forces in Lebanon and vice versa won’t violate this partial ceasefire but rocket attacks will. It also looks like Israel has decided it won’t drive for the Litani river if Hez in fact stops rocket barrages.

[M. Simon]

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Someone,

I gave you Hamas and Hizbollah in their own words.

Are you teling me they are liars?

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[someone]

"Someone,

I gave you Hamas and Hizbollah in their own words.

Are you teling me they are liars?"

I cant say they are liars ,but they can have wrong like all humans ,but what i know is that they want to resist against occupation,they existed only after occupation of arabic territory and not before,they are resisting by their methods.

I only defined jihad as i know .You cant call jihad terrorism ,i have already said that killing unarmed people in busses in their homes,kidnapped from the streets,or by air planes is not jihad,and you can call these acts whatever you want to call them,but not jihad ,and people can be wrong .

[Jeha]

How sweet the comments by Simon: "Terms have been offered for the end of [...] the (short) occupation".

In recent history, Israel's behaviour is focused on land and resources. In the Golan and the West Bank, water is the Issue. In Gaza, it is natural gas.

Of course, I could be wrong: Southern Lebanon's plentiful water and fertile land is not a factor here. And the 1919 territorial demands fromulated for a "Jewish homeland in Palestine" did not ask for a norhtern border that started "at a point on the Mediterranean Sea in the vicinity south of Sidon, and following the watersheds of the foothills of Lebanon as far as Jisr El-Qaraoun".

A short occupation indeed.

[M. Simon]

Jeha,

The UN says the norrthern border with Lebanon is legit. Of course if you disagree there is the usual remedy. Take it if you can.

Just remember - if you lose you could lose more territory.

So how much territory are you willing to lose to settle your dispute? How many bridges and power plants? How many roads?

Stupdity is going against a tiger with a wet noodle. Nothing can keep you from trying it though. No complaints if the tiger makes a meal of you, eh.

Someone,

Hizbollah and Hamas have genocide as policy. Not dissimilar to the Austrian Corporal. How convenient you didn't notice. Not to worry. The Jews are well armed this time and itching for a fight. You up for it?

[M. Simon]

Here is proof of the genocidal ambitions of Nasrullah. As if what I have already given you isn't enough.

The sayings of Chairman Nasrullah.

If Lebanon wants to be allied with genocide, no complaints about the damage that causes. OK?

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[diana]

Lebanon has to live up to its responsibilities as a sovereign country. Is Hezbollah a Palestinian entity that hijacked Lebanon or is it a Lebanese party that declared war on Israel without the consent of the Lebanese people.

[someone]

Simon,

"Hizbollah and Hamas have genocide as policy. Not dissimilar to the Austrian Corporal. How convenient you didn't notice. Not to worry. The Jews are well armed this time and itching for a fight. You up for it?"

Not me up for it ,but if he want to hate jews or "israel" and want to destroy it ,then he simply can be called the enemy of jews ,like all palestinians,and arabs.

Nasrallah knows also how much jews are armed ,and he is up for its fight , why are you afraid then ?

Now "israel" is fighting him in Lebanon and wants to eliminate him,you should be glad for that,no?,and he still say he is up for this fight,so let it be.

[M. Simon]

I discuss the coming fall of the Syrian regime at: Syria Has a Problem. Its days are numbered. Sixty to ninety days. Possibly less.

[M. Simon]

I discuss the coming fall of the Syrian regime at: Syria Has a Problem. Its days are numbered. Sixty to ninety days. Possibly less.

[Hmmm]

The Israeli renewal of aggression is insane. They should take this opportunity to withdraw from Lebanon and rethink their tactics. This will not end well for them, and they have been incredibly lucky so far.

Israel, if you are listening, take this second chance and do not waste it. Violence begets violence and peace begets peace. Only through meaningful, frustrating, peaceful engagement of Lebanon and of the concerns of the HA will you succeed. Every other path ends in either genocide of the Arabs or genocide of the Jews.

And yes, every Israeli-backing poster is going to say 'bring it on' or 'HA will never listen'. So what. So what if the HA today doesn't listen? Talk to them to avoid war. Contain them. the longer you draw this out the better the chances of eventual peace.

If the new strategy of Israel in the post is true, it is insane. Absolutely insane.

[nathan]

u suck